Jax isn't in a great position, but there is no way he is bottom 1 variation in the game tier. Wrestler's pressure was way nicer, HW pressure you didn't even need to poke you could just jab out into full combo, Wrestler had some real nice mixes off so much on block. Meanzuga was a jax main all 3 variations, so I know he knows hes shit on this character and has no reason to embellish in favour of the character. I'm not sure why we are bringing up Jax execution from like a year ago, but its been patched to make it a lot more consistent now so that's not really relevant to his position now.
Also, poking out of pressure is VERY relevant when the gap is so large that you can just open up into a full combo off standing 1, just because he tried to go for a second 3 hit block string. The risk/reward was heavily against you which is why people always said HW's pressure was a gimmick, right?
The problem with their argument is that they're both getting the wrong end of the stick of what they're trying to actually argue.
Wrestler has more 'mixups' in the binary sense (although the only standing normals/strings he can actually tick from have such laughable frame data that they scream "armour me" in most matchups anyway, even if the command grab hits has fuck all hit advantage I might add)
Most of Heavy Weapons cancels are negative on block but that's largely irrelevant since base Jax already has good frames on most normals by themselves. Unlike a variation like A-List where while most of his cancels are plus on block, the normals by themselves are relatively limited once you're out of juice.
In HW's case the cancel is there for the sake of conversions/safety, so that you have a means of launching them meterlessly (the only variation of Jax that can do this and this alone dismisses the idea that variationless Jax is better than HW as complete lunacy), and so you have means of confirming single buttons (nobody is forcing HW to press buttons about the negative cancel) instead of taking a chance with EX OHDP and end up looking like a complete buffoon if the initial button was blocked.
So if we're just talking offense, it's pretty much just semantics between more offense vs safer offense.
Also no amount of experience makes a player immune to plain false logic. A common notion within the Jax community was that besides standing 4, ALL of HW's cancels were negative on block. Yours truly had to prove that one wrong.
