Match-Up Discussion - Dragon Naginata Vak's Dragon Naginata MU Chart *Updated*

[Vak Phoenix]

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Alien

• Acidic 4/6
• Konjurer 4/6
• Tarkatan 4/6

Bo Rai Cho

• Drunken Master 6/4*
• Dragons Breath 6/4*
• Bartitsu 5/5

Cassie Cage

• Brawler 4/6
• Hollywood 4/6*
• Spec Ops 4/6

D'Vorah

• Brood Mother 5/5*
• Swarm Queen 5/5*
• Venomous 6/4*

Ermac

• Mystic 4/6*
• Master Of Souls 4/6
• Spectral 4/6

Erron Black

• Gunslinger 5/5
• Outlaw 5/5
• Marksman 5/5*

Ferra/Torr

• Lackey 4/6
• Ruthless 4/6
• Vicious 4/6

Goro

• Dragon Fangs 4/6
• Kuatan Warrior 4/6
• Tigrar Fury 4/6

Jacqui

• Full Auto 4/6
• Shotgun 5/5
• High Tech 6/4

Jason

• Slasher 4/6
• Relentless 4/6
• Unstoppable 4/6

Jax

• Pumped Up 4/6
• Heavy Weapons 4/6*
• Wrestler 4/6*

Johnny Cage

• A-List 4/6
• Fisticuffs 4/6
• Stunt Double 4/6

Kano

• Cybernetic 4/6*
• Cutthroat 4/6*
• Commando 4/6

Kenshi

• Balanced 4/6
• Possessed 5/5
• Kenjutsu 4/6

Kitana

• Mournful 3/7
• Royal Storm 4/6
• Assassin 3/7

Ko'atal Kahn

• Sun God 5/5*
• Blood God 5/5
• War God 4/6

Kung Jin

• Ancestral 5/5
• Shaolin 5/5
• Bojutsu 5/5*

Kung Lao

• Hat Trick 3/7
• Buzzsaw 3/7
• Tempest 3/7

Leatherface

• Pretty Lady 4/6*
• Killer 5/5*
• Butcher N/A

Liu Kang

• Dualist 5/5
• Flamefist 6/4
• Dragons Fire 5/5

Mileena

• Ravenous 4/6*
• Piercing 3/7 Possibly 2/8
• Ethereal 4/6*

Predator

• Hish-Qu-Ten 4/6*
• Hunter 5/5
• Warrior N/A

Quan Chi

• Summoner 4/6
• Sorcerer 4/6
• Warlock 4/6

Raiden

• Master Of Storms 5/5*
• Thunder God 5/5*
• Displacer 5/5*

Reptile

• Deceptive 6/4
• Noxious 7/3
• Nimble 7/3

Scorpion

• Hellfire 4/6
• Ninjitsu 4/6 Possibly 3/7
• Inferno 4/6

Shinnok

• Imposter 3/7 Possibly 2/8
• Bone Shaper 3/7
• Necromancer 3/7

Sonya Blade

• Special Forces 4/6
• Covert Ops 6/4*
• Demolition 4/6

Sub-Zero

• Cryomancer 6/4
• Grandmaster 5/5 Possibly 6/4
• Unbreakable 6/4*

Takeda

• Ronin 4/6
• Shirai Ryu 5/5
• Lasher 3/7

Tanya

• Kobu Jutsu 6/4
• Pyromancer 5/5
• Dragon Naginata N/A

Tremor

• Crystalline 5/5
• Metallic 6/4*
• Aftershock 5/5 Possibly 6/4

Triborg

• Cyber Sub-Zero 4/6
• Cyrax 5/5
• Sektor 5/5*
• Smoke 4/6*

 

[MsMiharo]

6 winning MUs? Damn

 

[Addhad]

Feels good to be an Ermac main

 

[Vak Phoenix]

 

[LaidbackOne]

Top tier Tanyer

 

[Eddy Wang]

are there really 8-2 mu in this game?

 

[Laos_boy]

Oh my god

 

[Awkward Sloth]

are there really 8-2 mu in this game?

Yes. Is it really that hard to believe? Specially with the shitty variations that got little to no love cause the developers didn't know how to make them better.

 

[Espio]

You may die now indeed.

 

[Rip Torn]

are there really 8-2 mu in this game?

I'm sure HT Jacqui has more than a few 2-8 MU's.

 

[Scott The Scot]

are there really 8-2 mu in this game?

I hear Swarm Queen vs Grand Master is that bad for Sub.

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

I'm curious about the reptile numbers, you really think she beats him that bad? If so can you explain?

 

[Vak Phoenix]

I'm curious about the reptile numbers, you really think she beats him that bad? If so can you explain?

She outspaces him, pushes him hard, he cannot keep her out or out of the air, she breaks his wakeups, stomps on slide with pogo

 

[JerzeyReign]

I don't play much DN even though I think its a dope variation (mainly because of your guide) but you can't outspace Mileena with that long ass staff? I was thinking that alone could keep b12 in check. Her zoning would probably cause fits but I'm just curious of why its 3-7 in Mileena's favor?

 

[Youphemism]

4-6 vs Bartitsu? What theee

What's your reasoning for that Vak?

 

[Vak Phoenix]

I don't play much DN even though I think its a dope variation (mainly because of your guide) but you can't outspace Mileena with that long ass staff? I was thinking that alone could keep b12 in check. Her zoning would probably cause fits but I'm just curious of why its 3-7 in Mileena's favor?

B2 is +1 on hit and -17ish and has horrible recovery and mileena rolls under it.

4-6 vs Bartitsu? What theee

What's your reasoning for that Vak?

I cant wakeup, get antiaired and get mopped by that d2

 

[ismael4790]

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Johnny Cage

• A-List 4/6
• Fisticuffs 4/6
• Stunt Double 4/6

Hmm..nope.

 

[chrisisnice]

Hmm..nope.

So if you are going to say something really constructive like "Hmm... nope", maybe give a reason why.

Vak is easily one of the most knowledgeable people with this variation as he mains it and it is not a variation that you come across almost ever. Almost no one plays it apart from a few of us that are learning from Vak. It is hard to argue with him about this unless you have had extensive experience playing against the variation (which is doubtful).

Can you explain why you feel he is wrong?

 

[chrisisnice]

Vak - Can you please explain why you feel Grandmaster may be 6-4 Tanya?

Is it because he has a more difficult time keeping control with clones due to tele/pogo?

EDIT:

Also Flamefist being favorable?

 

[Vak Phoenix]

Vak - Can you please explain why you feel Grandmaster may be 6-4 Tanya?

Is it because he has a more difficult time keeping control with clones due to tele/pogo?

Yes, you can easily shut down his full screen zoning with iceball and klone toss, while tanya does jump back teleport pogo. Also while he knocks her down and sets up clone in corner and either goes for oh/low or waits instant air pogo 3 beats his options, if he goes for oh u hit him, if he goes for low you hit him while she slides down the pogo, and if he waits pogo slide goes through the klone and touches him.

 

[Vak Phoenix]

Vak - Can you please explain why you feel Grandmaster may be 6-4 Tanya?

Is it because he has a more difficult time keeping control with clones due to tele/pogo?

EDIT:

Also Flamefist being favorable?

Everytime he does windmill punch the regular one, instant pogo punishes it for full combo, so you take away his main tool, he has to committ to exing the windmillpunches, and i highly doubt that they will do that on block after a string.

 

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

Feels bad... I know how you feel... Dualist main here

 

[ismael4790]

So if you are going to say something really constructive like "Hmm... nope", maybe give a reason why.

Vak is easily one of the most knowledgeable people with this variation as he mains it and it is not a variation that you come across almost ever. Almost no one plays it apart from a few of us that are learning from Vak. It is hard to argue with him about this unless you have had extensive experience playing against the variation (which is doubtful).

Can you explain why you feel he is wrong?

Well, I am one of the few players that plays fisticuffs cage since day one and still do, which is also a variation that is rarely seen, so the situation is the same. I doubt he finds many fisticuffs out there.

First of all, there's absolutely no reason to consider the same matchup numbers for the three Cages, so I think he considers 4-6 A-List and Stunt double, and he said...ok, fisticuffs must be the same.
There is absolutely no matchup where fisticuffs can do equally or better than any of the other two variations.

With Tanya in particular (any variation) she has the possibility to armor through the speedbag gap, the only fisticuffs "pressure" tool.
And she can do it with a low, that leads to full combo. That, automatically, makes fisticuffs uncomfortable in the close up game. She also has a teleport in case Fisticuffs tries to zone her, and in this variation she has better range than him.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Why does marksman beat naginata?

 

[Vak Phoenix]

Why does marksman beat naginata?

any time i try to go in the air and jump towards him, i get anti aired by the rifle swing move, also the ex shots keep me in check too. It is one of those weird matchups where its health lead depended.