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Un-Masked Sub Zero Combo Help.

Tim Static

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Click on Stragey Guides to the left here, Click on UMK3 (arcade version is all the same for XBL & DS version). Scroll down click on the pic of unmasked Subbie and read up on combos and strategies.

You might wanna check out the combo videos and match videos to would like to see them in action.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
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It's tough as hell to get high damage with C.Sub IMO, but he's fun to play as :)
 

Shock

Administrator
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Definitely read the guide, but here is some deeper explanation and more ideas.

The key to big damage with U Sub is setting up anti air clones. For instance, anytime someone jumps at you, do a HP can cancel it to a clone. Even if they connect a hit, it's worth the trade off. Depending on the character and location you can get 35 to 50%+. You can also gain some extra damage in the corner after his autocombo.

Breaking mid 30s with him is tough and you need to know when to do certain combos and when not. Generally what I do is always get them as close to the corner as possible because even if you mess up the combo at the end, or aren't close enough, Sub's corner tactics will almost always ensure him the win. There are some things you need to remember about corner combos extra hits.

Vs anyone in the corner you can get a slide or a ducking LK after Sub's auto combo, but against some characters connecting for instance, a ducking LK sets him up to be free countered. Against Kabal, the recovery of the D+LK at the end of the combo will be extended if Kabal cancels his stun on the last frame to a spin, and then Sub will take at least 56% if the Kabal player is aware of the scenario. This will also happen vs Robot Smoke's teleport uppercut.

Vs Sheeva, Sub can connect a free standing HK after his autocombo, so if you freeze her near the corner, run her in, SUJK, 6 hit combo, standing HK = 42%. Against the Robots and some other characters you can get a standing LK which will be 40%. It's useful to add extra damage at any time with Sub because with him every bit counts, even if it's blockable. This is a reason why you should often leave the last hit of his auto combo out mid screen and choose a mix up free, or blocked hit, it also keeps the opponent closer to you.

Something else to recognize is when your opponent is and isn't on the ground during an anti air scenario. Generally, if your opponent is frozen the instant they touch the clone in air, they are frozen in the air itself. If they sorta land on it and don't freeze immediately, but are still an air attack, they are on the ground. Often times in matches I pick up on this and will do a SUJK with a 6 hit combo and the other player asks how I knew they weren't in the air, and I usually respond with "I just do."

In a scenario vs a male ninja, when you freeze them in air, it's a good idea to try and keep them as high as possible, so say they land on a clone, hit an aaHP, and cancel to freeze as fast as possible so they will be frozen with a more verticle pose than horizontal. This makes aaHPHP JK slide mid screen very easy, for 43%. If they are more horizontal you can opt to do aaHP, run cancel, walk forward, aaHP, JK. There is also always aaHP, glitch cancel to freeze, but we have come to discover that glitch cancels are not always available. It is similar to the random predetermined simultaneous collision priority but doesn't seem to coincide with it at all. It seems like it should though. GCed aaHPs will add 6-7% to any non DPed combo.

Even more specific, is what punches you should use depending how high an opponent is, or who it is. Against a male ninja, aaHPHP might not work, but aaHPLP will, or in another situation vs a very low to ground Jax, aaLP,HP will work.

Another combo to try is freeze in air, aaJK, freeze, which is tough to time, but it can allow an aaHPHP, JK, slide for 52%. Also try and time freezes on grounded JKs because there's about 33% damage available in that.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
I thought C. Sub was classic Sub and U.Sub is Unmasked sub?

lol

Or does the U stand for universal? :?
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
Nevermind..my mistake, lol I read your quick bit on U. Sub and missed the part about "AA cloning" lol for some reason I thought you were referring to C. Sub :lol:

I'm tired, sorry about that.
 

Tim Static

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:lol: @ MKF30...sorry, that was funny!

I was wondering what the fuck you meant in the first post....hahahahahahaha

sorry, I like laughing :wink:
 

Tim Static

Adminerator
Lin_Kuei_Assassin said:
Sub-Zero is one of my better characters in MK3/UMK3; I usually get 30%-35% kombos off with him no problem.
Unmasked Subbie is a beast in MK3, however in UMK3 he is middle of the pack at best.
 
Lin_Kuei_Assassin said:
Yeah, his stats really don't change except there are better characters added in now. In MK3 he's insane.
Plus in UMK3 his Ice Clone can't be done on top or close to your opponent which made U.Sub #1 god in MK3.
 

Tim Static

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ÐarkMoon said:
Lin_Kuei_Assassin said:
Yeah, his stats really don't change except there are better characters added in now. In MK3 he's insane.
Plus in UMK3 his Ice Clone can't be done on top or close to your opponent which made U.Sub #1 god in MK3.
Couldnt you also in MK3 with U.Sub clone, rush in and throw back into clone? Maybe Rv1.1 or 2?
 
Lin_Kuei_Assassin said:
Yeah, his stats really don't change except there are better characters added in now. In MK3 he's insane.
What fucks USub up is that he can't clone in the air anymore
 

dreemernj

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Playa96 said:
Lin_Kuei_Assassin said:
Yeah, his stats really don't change except there are better characters added in now. In MK3 he's insane.
What fucks USub up is that he can't clone in the air anymore
He can clone in the air. Just not near his opponent.
 

RoGE

Noob
MKF30 said:
Nevermind..my mistake, lol I read your quick bit on U. Sub and missed the part about "AA cloning" lol for some reason I thought you were referring to C. Sub :lol:

I'm tired, sorry about that.
don't worry, for some reason I do the same thing.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Premium Supporter
lol yeah ^^ dude, When I played on live my friends 360's UMK3, I would sometimes get thrown into the clone, however on the DS version it hasn't happened yet I don't know if it's because I play much better on the DS version or I can move faster or the better control or what lol.

Just something I noticed 8)