It’s been well over 3 weeks now so I think we can start discussing tiers. I have never really liked tier lists simply because people put too much stock into them. But I do think the discussion is fun and actually useful. Keep in mind, tier discussions early in a games life is definitely subject to change as time goes on, AND discussing tiers right now is based on how/where the meta is RIGHT NOW. I want to have a starting point so in the future we can look back and see what has changed.
So, I’ll post a tier list that I think has been a consensus across the board. This isn’t “THE” tier list or anything, just one I feel is the most accurate for right now.
S+: Geras, Erron Black, Scorpion, Sonya
S: Baraka, Sub-Zero, Cassie, Liu Kang, Cetrion, Jacqui
A+: Noob, Jax, Johnny Cage, Kabal, Skarlet
A: Jade, Kitana, Kung Lao, Raiden
A-: Shao Kahn, Kano, Frost
B: Kotal Kahn, Kollector, D’Vorah
I think the S+ tier is undeniable at this point, those are the 4 best characters in the game. I really don’t know if they would be numbered 1-4. Meaning they all could have arguments for the best character in the game.
S tier is also self explanatory. All very strong characters. I know Liu Kang downplayers will say he’s mid tier at best or something, but I disagree. I think Kang is very strong. Cetrion is really good, I could see an argument that she needs to be a tier lower, but for now I think she’s too strong to be lower. Baraka is really strong, arguably a top 5 character. He’s just such a solid character. Others would argue that Cassie is actually top 5, with Baraka at 6. Both characters have strong arguments for top 5, imo.
A+ tier is all the good characters that are really good, but they just aren’t AS good as S and S+ tiered characters. It’s not that they necessarily have weaknesses but just that there’s characters that are better than them. Some would argue that Noob and Kabal belong in S tier. Which I definitely could see that being the case. Personally I do think they are, but the consensus I’ve seen is that they are not. Could be downplayers but I’m not sure.
A tier is for every else except a few. These technically are your mid to low tiers, but notice how they’re in “A” tier. Meaning they are good characters. But relative to the rest of the roster, they aren’t as oppressive or strong as the rest. A lot of the characters in A could go up to A+ easily.
A- characters are really kinda like A characters but just not quite as good. But still, they are in the A tier, so every character up to now are viable characters.
Finally, B tier. Kotal Kahn isn’t that bad but against some characters, the MU is VERY bad for Kotal. Against Scorpion for instance, it’s very hard for a Scorpion player to lose this MU. I main Scorpion and I’ve labbed the MU a lot. For some reason I have faced for Kotal Kahn players than any other character, lol. At first I was getting mauled because I didn’t know the MU. After learning it.. man, Kotal has some real problems in certain MU’s. Kollector and D’Vorah are who have the least information on. Literally have no clue what D’Vorah can do, everyone just says she’s bad or the worst character in the game. Kollector is a little more mixed. I have dabbled with him briefly and he has been seen in tournaments. But I don’t have much to go on other than again, what others have said.
So with all that said, what are y’alls thoughts on the tiers in MK11? Not specifically my tier list but the tier list in general. I feel like 88% of the roster can compete. I think a few characters could use some buffs, but I don’t think very many nerfs are warranted. Literally the only actual nerf other than fixing things that weren’t intentional like OS’s or whiffing on mids issues, is maybe adjust Erron Black’s F4 in some way. Personally I would just make it do less pushback, on both the regular and the amp’d version. And be a couple of frames more negative. With Geras, idk he seems fine. Maybe a damage adjustment of some kind or removing a KB or making 1 or 2 KB’s harder to activate. With Sonya, I really can’t say. With Scorpion, I think he’s okay too. But I think changing the teleport to a high attack instead of a mid would be sufficient.
So, I’ll post a tier list that I think has been a consensus across the board. This isn’t “THE” tier list or anything, just one I feel is the most accurate for right now.
S+: Geras, Erron Black, Scorpion, Sonya
S: Baraka, Sub-Zero, Cassie, Liu Kang, Cetrion, Jacqui
A+: Noob, Jax, Johnny Cage, Kabal, Skarlet
A: Jade, Kitana, Kung Lao, Raiden
A-: Shao Kahn, Kano, Frost
B: Kotal Kahn, Kollector, D’Vorah
I think the S+ tier is undeniable at this point, those are the 4 best characters in the game. I really don’t know if they would be numbered 1-4. Meaning they all could have arguments for the best character in the game.
S tier is also self explanatory. All very strong characters. I know Liu Kang downplayers will say he’s mid tier at best or something, but I disagree. I think Kang is very strong. Cetrion is really good, I could see an argument that she needs to be a tier lower, but for now I think she’s too strong to be lower. Baraka is really strong, arguably a top 5 character. He’s just such a solid character. Others would argue that Cassie is actually top 5, with Baraka at 6. Both characters have strong arguments for top 5, imo.
A+ tier is all the good characters that are really good, but they just aren’t AS good as S and S+ tiered characters. It’s not that they necessarily have weaknesses but just that there’s characters that are better than them. Some would argue that Noob and Kabal belong in S tier. Which I definitely could see that being the case. Personally I do think they are, but the consensus I’ve seen is that they are not. Could be downplayers but I’m not sure.
A tier is for every else except a few. These technically are your mid to low tiers, but notice how they’re in “A” tier. Meaning they are good characters. But relative to the rest of the roster, they aren’t as oppressive or strong as the rest. A lot of the characters in A could go up to A+ easily.
A- characters are really kinda like A characters but just not quite as good. But still, they are in the A tier, so every character up to now are viable characters.
Finally, B tier. Kotal Kahn isn’t that bad but against some characters, the MU is VERY bad for Kotal. Against Scorpion for instance, it’s very hard for a Scorpion player to lose this MU. I main Scorpion and I’ve labbed the MU a lot. For some reason I have faced for Kotal Kahn players than any other character, lol. At first I was getting mauled because I didn’t know the MU. After learning it.. man, Kotal has some real problems in certain MU’s. Kollector and D’Vorah are who have the least information on. Literally have no clue what D’Vorah can do, everyone just says she’s bad or the worst character in the game. Kollector is a little more mixed. I have dabbled with him briefly and he has been seen in tournaments. But I don’t have much to go on other than again, what others have said.
So with all that said, what are y’alls thoughts on the tiers in MK11? Not specifically my tier list but the tier list in general. I feel like 88% of the roster can compete. I think a few characters could use some buffs, but I don’t think very many nerfs are warranted. Literally the only actual nerf other than fixing things that weren’t intentional like OS’s or whiffing on mids issues, is maybe adjust Erron Black’s F4 in some way. Personally I would just make it do less pushback, on both the regular and the amp’d version. And be a couple of frames more negative. With Geras, idk he seems fine. Maybe a damage adjustment of some kind or removing a KB or making 1 or 2 KB’s harder to activate. With Sonya, I really can’t say. With Scorpion, I think he’s okay too. But I think changing the teleport to a high attack instead of a mid would be sufficient.
