The Slips and Hippo Show E2: The One About E3 and TYM

Discussion in 'Podcasts, Shows & Archives' started by KingHippo, Jun 19, 2018.

By KingHippo on Jun 19, 2018 at 9:22 PM
  1. KingHippo

    KingHippo Alternative-Fact Checker

    Slips and Hippo are back with another episode of the Slips and Hippo Show! We talk about all things WOTG, including a very special presentation courtesy of Red Raptor and Slips that is sure to get your attention, as well as some thoughts about character loyalty, MK at E3 (or the lack thereof), fighting game accessibility, TYM and how it could be better, and Gilgamesh. It's a great show, and I hope you guys like it!



    Timestamps:

    00:01:00 - WOTG S3 W1 talk
    00:33:33 - Special Red Raptor video
    00:39:06 - WOTG talk continues
    00:48:05 - Character loyalty/specialists and if it's a good idea or not
    01:14:00 - MK at E3 talk, what that means for the future
    01:29:09 - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate discussion and the genius of Smash Bros.
    01:33:26 - Fighting Game accessibility, and how hard they can be to learn/how to solve that
    01:44:00 - TestYourMight past, present, and future
    02:36:02 - Wrap-up
    02:39:26 - GILGAMESH

    We definitely want to hear feedback on this: we are considering going weekly, and we want to ramp up our production values so if you wanna see more stuff like we do about WOTG, please let us know here or on Twitter at @KingHippo42 or @Slipkicks and give us your thoughts, positive and negative! As promised, there is also an MP3 download here:

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/oj4n43m7zfa14y0/Slips and Hippo Show Ep 2.mp3

    I hope you guys enjoy it, we had a blast shooting it. GILGAMESH!
     
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Discussion in 'Podcasts, Shows & Archives' started by KingHippo, Jun 19, 2018.

    1. Ram
      Ram
      that ending lolol
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    2. xInfra Deadx
      xInfra Deadx
      GILGAMESH
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    3. Wigy
      Wigy
      That was ace.

      Only thing I'd say as a random medicore player on the topic of people arguing with top players.

      It was the same 'top players' who people often argued with because they had some really derpy opinions which were later exposed and were dicks about it.

      Obviously you're guna have idiots but I don't think that should be the justification for them all leaving unless their ego is that bad. It's probably just Twitter.

      Think a lot of top players just have too much of an ego, people disagree with them and they just discredit the site as full of scrubs. A lot of the time they're probably right but at least it opens up a dialogue and people can argue and explore matchups. If you don't like their opinion just agree to disagree
      Last edited: Jun 20, 2018
    4. ChatterBox
      ChatterBox
      Less than halfway through, but I don't think no MK11 announcement because of new consoles. Sony says 2021 for the next console, and I think Microsoft just announced they started working on one so that should be years away too.

      Great show so far, keep em coming.
      Cursa, KingHippo and Slips like this.
    5. Matix218
      Matix218
      Downloading the MP3, will start listening on my way home from work. Glad to hear this may become a regular thing!
      KingHippo likes this.
    6. JTB123
      JTB123
      Great show again guys, particularly enjoyed the talks on match up numbers/charts and why they're practically meaningless.

      It's also really interesting to hear older stories from the FGC as Slips has a lot of history to draw from so if you were thinking on segments then a section where you do into the history of a particular game or tournament would be fantastic. Tekken would be a logical place to start considering Slips history with the franchise but any of the older stuff is always great as it tends to be hard to find information on.
    7. KingHippo
      KingHippo
      Well said, and I didn't get to it on the show, but I think a big problem is the unfortunate ego boost that can be the 'top player' title. You are a 'top player' once and for life if you have one strong showing, if you beat certain people online, are the best with a certain character (regardless of results). That term has now lost all meaning, and I think it sucks because that term is what makes people feel enlightened over the average player, when really that may not actually be true and you still have much to learn.
      wsj515, Yoaks, Rude and 5 others like this.
    8. Slips
      Slips
      I went into the discussion prepared to bash TYM, but the longer it went on the more I was remembering how our top players/community leaders abused the power of their voice for more harm than good with their own agendas.

      Can't blame TYM for wanting to combine its resources with top player influence, it just kind of sucked TYM couldn't recognize what was constructive criticism vs. toxic banter and it caused a divide in trust between top players/community leaders and the platform TYM provided.

      TYM is still here though and still plush with content and info. Here's to looking forward.
      Eddy Wang, Vagrant, BurdaA and 10 others like this.
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    10. Wigy
      Wigy
      I can see both sides to it, but a lot of top players have to check their ego. They expect respect and shamelessly fish for props while shitting on everyone who hasnt placed top 8 in a major tourney.

      Other top players are ace and chill. Meeting a bunch in person, none of the EU guys i cant say a bad word about.
      Cursa, Slips and God Confirm like this.
    11. God Confirm
      God Confirm
      Great podcast guys. Absolutely great. I tuned in to listen to the commentary on TYM to begin with, you guys are both incredibly easy to listen to, very knowledgeable, and I am going to sit down and listen to the whole thing later while I'm in the workshop.

      I've always found @KingHippo 's posts to be very well reasoned and thought out, and you do a great job of conveying that in open speech as well, and gave a very strong opinion on why the forum is the way it is without joining in the circlejerk on either side of the "why did top players leave TYM" topic. I love both your opinions on what match-ups are as well. You did a great job at not getting sucked into what everyone "just does".
      BurdaA and Wigy like this.
    12. Skedar70
      Skedar70
      I think the discussion points are a little bit long and disorganized.
      You should invite more people to join in on the discussion.
    13. Wigy
      Wigy
      It's not cnn.

      Just two dudes having a laugh and giving their hot takes.
    14. Cursa
      Cursa
      Yea will try to see it when I get home, but just from reading comments here...

      Player opinions should always be taken with a pinch of salt, regardless of how good they are imo.

      As for TYM v Top players.... idk. Haven't been here long enough to speak about it but I've seen discussions on the site between top 8/tournament regulars and it's a bit back and forth between who's actually in the wrong. Yeah some top players have ego's and shit but then if ppl remember members like Yung_Hokage or Meridian1000 then you kinda see how the website might get discredited. Calling GL and Poison Ivy top 5, what, a week, if that, after a patch just came out is a pretty scrub move. Not actually discussing it, just saying shit like "Wait till Poison Ivy and GL fill top 8's and then you'll see"

      Basically what I'm saying is yeah some top players have ego's but TYM isn't short of people who will call shit out and just BM for everyone who disagrees with them too. Granted they usually don't last long, but it's just a reoccurring theme to me, just with different names.

      Both sides have problems, need to be able to see both sides imo.
    15. Protagonist_1
      Protagonist_1
      @Slips @KingHippo

      I'm at the video breakdown where you guys are analyzing the noble semis vs. tweedy video and I have to say we need more content like this.

      Just the first 10 seconds made me stop what I was doing just to watch this. I can't express how happy I am that you guys are providing this content, especially on TYM were a lot of top players have left. Keep supporting the scene, you guys are the unsung heroes of our community.

      *goes back to watching podcast*
      Braindead, Slips, Ram and 2 others like this.
    16. CrimsonShadow
      CrimsonShadow
      I'm willing to try this again.. But to be honest, the hardest part is that when you have someone who views themselves as giving constructive criticism, and someone disagrees with that person or doesn't see things the same way they do, that conflict often gives way to straight up meanness and/or abuse.

      Basically the thinking is, "This is obvious, how dare you disagree with me, you must be stupid", and then that comes across in the tone. It takes a special player to keep a cool head when they've built up confidence/ego through tournament wins and someone is not coming around to their argument/point of view.

      I don't want to name names, but we all know some well known players who are extremely charming and charismatic when people agree with them, and flip to being downright nasty and aggressive when they feel they've been wronged or someone doesn't see it their way.
      God Confirm and Slips like this.
    17. Protagonist_1
      Protagonist_1
      Slips: "I can't f*cking stand matchup charts."

      Me: [​IMG]
    18. Cursa
      Cursa
      It's ok, I'll tag them

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    19. God Confirm
      God Confirm
      I just want to add that I don't necessarily agree with everything being said, but I think it's very well put forth.

      However I was actually re-reading one of those threads you vaguely referenced from back in the day, just last week. I think you have to take into account that a LOT of people thought that toxic way of arguing opinions and the appeals to authority were really detracting from the nature of it being an open forum. It continued on none the less, from a few very vocal well known posters in particular who you mentioned in that video, and it felt like over time more and more people starting giving up on TYM because of this attitude in how their opinions had to be received that they insisted on cultivating. It's only after this fact with many quality posters no longer posting, that those very same people who contributed to this decline started lamenting the state of TYM, and decreeing the "upstart plebs" as the reason all the top players have left, when it reality.... history says it was the opposite.
      Eddy Wang, Espio, Slips and 1 other person like this.
    20. KingHippo
      KingHippo
      I would definitely agree that the scene was cannibalistic, in that sense, and it wasn't just top players contributing to the atmosphere, it was the mid-tier and even lower players, too. At the same time, I think you had to separate people who were actually saying the way discussion was happening was borked vs. the pearl-clutchers who talked about how tournaments would be affected by dudes who were loud on the forums, and would often cite "declining" player-base as a reason for that. Clearly that wasn't the case, nor will it ever be; TYM is far too small for that to matter much.

      But yes, I do think that the lack of acknowledgement from certain players about the way they acted being pretty bad for the scene is unfortunate, because they see it as critiques of their personal characters and not of their actions. Giving back via content and things of that nature does not automatically make you void of criticism that you may have pushed people away, and I wish that you could hold people more accountable for that without getting a screaming fit.
      God Confirm likes this.
    21. God Confirm
      God Confirm
      Excellent response, I can't argue it. You guys are real champs, keep up the great stuff, I'll be tuning in from now on.
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    22. KingHippo
      KingHippo
      We appreciate your viewership!
    23. Juggs
      Juggs
      The way I viewed it, most of the time, when a top or “well known player” would share tech, talk strategy, MU numbers or whatever, they didn’t want any criticism. They just wanted everyone to be happy they even shared anything, because they are a top player afterall. When someone would disect the tech and find flaws, some certain top players wouldn’t respond well to that. It’s almost as if they weren’t trying to actually help the community, but just get props for sharing whatever they shared/discussed (which, btw, happenend A LOT. The MAJORITY of people on here would “agree” with any top players posts regardless of what it was, simply because of who they were. Which happens in real life a lot too)

      Now of course this wasn’t always the case, but it definitely happened with some people. And so instead of people who you view as “randoms” criticising your (the top player) opinion/tech/etc, why not just leave and go live in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you? Or at least if someone disagrees with you, it’s not billyBob42069, but a players opinion they respect. Again, not saying this applies to every top player, but it’s a trend that is/was apparent, at least to me.
    24. God Confirm
      God Confirm
      That's exactly it. Some top players needed a blog but instead they took it to a public forum.
      FLA_Anarquisto, Eddy Wang and Juggs like this.

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