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SINGH E

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Wasn't Shang Tsung being an Earthrealmer only mentioned in the MK Conquest TV series? I thought that was non-canon in the games
 

MKF30

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Shang Tsung I believe at some point it was mentioned that he was from Earthrealm but betrayed it for power to be at Shao Kahn's side.
 

SINGH E

Noob
Shang Tsung I believe at some point it was mentioned that he was from Earthrealm but betrayed it for power to be at Shao Kahn's side.
Do you know where that is mentioned in the games or the canon comics though cuz I've never come across it, the only place I seem to remember Shang Tsung being originally from Earthrealm and then switching to Shao Kahn's side was MK Conquest, the 90's TV series which was non-canon?

Also, if Shang Tsung was originally from Earthrealm, then chose to fight for Outworld, why is it that his victories count as Outworld's victory and not Earthrealm's?

In the canon (MKDA I think), it states Bo Rai Cho never fought in the MK tournament because if he defeated Goro or Shang he would still achieve a victory for Outworld because he is FROM Outworld and Earthrealm would have lost. That is why he just trained the Shaolin like Liu Kang and Kung Lao. There cannot be one rule for Bo Rai Cho and another rule for Shang, it would have to be a universal rule that is enforced by the Elder Gods right? Otherwise, that's just bad writing lol!

Also in the MK1 comic (which is canon) when Shang Tsung personally invites Raiden to the tournament he says something along the lines of "I have studied Earth's languages, and it's Religions". Why would he say that if he was originally from Earthrealm? The way he said it is something that an outsider would say.
 

MKF30

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Do you know where that is mentioned in the games or the canon comics though cuz I've never come across it, the only place I seem to remember Shang Tsung being originally from Earthrealm and then switching to Shao Kahn's side was MK Conquest, the 90's TV series which was non-canon?

Also, if Shang Tsung was originally from Earthrealm, then chose to fight for Outworld, why is it that his victories count as Outworld's victory and not Earthrealm's?

In the canon (MKDA I think), it states Bo Rai Cho never fought in the MK tournament because if he defeated Goro or Shang he would still achieve a victory for Outworld because he is FROM Outworld and Earthrealm would have lost. That is why he just trained the Shaolin like Liu Kang and Kung Lao. There cannot be one rule for Bo Rai Cho and another rule for Shang, it would have to be a universal rule that is enforced by the Elder Gods right? Otherwise, that's just bad writing lol!

Also in the MK1 comic (which is canon) when Shang Tsung personally invites Raiden to the tournament he says something along the lines of "I have studied Earth's languages, and it's Religions". Why would he say that if he was originally from Earthrealm? The way he said it is something that an outsider would say.
States it in his MK 9 bios. I think they also mention it in the konquest mode in MK A at some point(if memory serves) but here, also listed in his official wiki. Seems in the newer timeline, they confirmed he was from Earthrealm. Old they never mention it, they never deconfirm or confirm it in the old timeline but they just never talk about it.
https://mortalkombat.fandom.com/wiki/Shang_Tsung/Current_Timeline

As for why they count for OW well he's repping OW regardless where he's from he joined Shao Kahn's side and became his sorcerer minion for centuries.

He joined up with OW centuries ago so naturally he would have to catch up on Earth's cultures, languages, religions etc. I would imagine it would be similar with Erron Black, Shang gave him more life extending it as we learned in MK X years ago since the wild west days which is a long ass time ago, few hundred years at least? So I think while it may not be as bad with Black's case as it would be with Shang being away for so long and only visiting Earthrealm every 100 years, I would think Erron Black would be unfamiliar with some of Earthrealm's cultures, updates etc. Like notice Erron Black has nothing technological on him like at all just his oldschool guns.
 

SINGH E

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States it in his MK 9 bios. I think they also mention it in the konquest mode in MK A at some point(if memory serves) but here, also listed in his official wiki. Seems in the newer timeline, they confirmed he was from Earthrealm. Old they never mention it, they never deconfirm or confirm it in the old timeline but they just never talk about it.
https://mortalkombat.fandom.com/wiki/Shang_Tsung/Current_Timeline

As for why they count for OW well he's repping OW regardless where he's from he joined Shao Kahn's side and became his sorcerer minion for centuries.

He joined up with OW centuries ago so naturally he would have to catch up on Earth's cultures, languages, religions etc. I would imagine it would be similar with Erron Black, Shang gave him more life extending it as we learned in MK X years ago since the wild west days which is a long ass time ago, few hundred years at least? So I think while it may not be as bad with Black's case as it would be with Shang being away for so long and only visiting Earthrealm every 100 years, I would think Erron Black would be unfamiliar with some of Earthrealm's cultures, updates etc. Like notice Erron Black has nothing technological on him like at all just his oldschool guns.

Ah ok fair enough, I've never read all the MK9 bios, thanks for that. I used to be hardcore into the lore during the old skool and 3D era (I'm an OG MK fan lol! and still love the new games). I still am into the lore, but I'm more focused on Gameplay these days so I'm glad you shared that with me. Appreciate it!!
 

MKF30

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Ah ok fair enough, I've never read all the MK9 bios, thanks for that. I used to be hardcore into the lore during the old skool and 3D era (I'm an OG MK fan lol! and still love the new games). I still am into the lore, but I'm more focused on Gameplay these days so I'm glad you shared that with me. Appreciate it!!
Sure anytime, I’m both lol love the lore as well as playing mk! Yeah I hear ya I’m an old schooler since the 90s(yeah I’m old ) lol ah the 3D era, good memories
 

pure.Wasted

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Nitpick incoming — you make several allusions to time periods that were probably canon back in the original timeline... eg things happening in the 90s... but that has to have been retconned, right? Since the MK1 of MK9 obviously takes place after the 00’s. Johnny and Sonya aren’t 70.
 

SINGH E

Noob
Sure anytime, I’m both lol love the lore as well as playing mk! Yeah I hear ya I’m an old schooler since the 90s(yeah I’m old ) lol ah the 3D era, good memories
Yeah, same lol been one since the 90s. In fact, I used to visit the forums on old MK sites like MKO and UltimateMK back in the day, I never used to post just read the forums and I remember you as well as a few others in the 3D era. There used to be a lot of guys that used to playtest the 3D games and find all the infinites and shit. Guys like Check and other guys I remember on the forums who used to be UMK3 fanatics like Shock, Konqrr and a few other names. One thing I remember on MKO, in particular, was when a guy called Mastermalone had all the gameplay glitches and infinites from MKD and showed Boon and Co during E3 2006 when they were showing off MKA and a lot of those changes got implemented in MKA. That was a big thing the community did that I will never forget, it was awesome. MK has come a long way since those days.

I've only come back to this MK site this year after taking years off. Wanna get really good at MK11 and get to a high level. Hopefully, MK11 is region free online so I can play US players as I'm from the UK. Still love the lore too.

Sorry, this post is off topic but I used to find all your guys posts very insightful. Though I never used to post lol. Are all those guys I mentioned above still around?
 

MKF30

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Yeah, same lol been one since the 90s. In fact, I used to visit the forums on old MK sites like MKO and UltimateMK back in the day, I never used to post just read the forums and I remember you as well as a few others in the 3D era. There used to be a lot of guys that used to playtest the 3D games and find all the infinites and shit. Guys like Check and other guys I remember on the forums who used to be UMK3 fanatics like Shock, Konqrr and a few other names. One thing I remember on MKO, in particular, was when a guy called Mastermalone had all the gameplay glitches and infinites from MKD and showed Boon and Co during E3 2006 when they were showing off MKA and a lot of those changes got implemented in MKA. That was a big thing the community did that I will never forget, it was awesome. MK has come a long way since those days.

I've only come back to this MK site this year after taking years off. Wanna get really good at MK11 and get to a high level. Hopefully, MK11 is region free online so I can play US players as I'm from the UK. Still love the lore too.

Sorry, this post is off topic but I used to find all your guys posts very insightful. Though I never used to post lol. Are all those guys I mentioned above still around?
Yeah, same here. At one point I was on literally every MK site but too many to follow, some just died or drama killed them, poor mods etc, etc now I just stick to here now days. Same, MKO was the first(a lot of us started off on there) UMK site was cool, then classicmk I think. There was kamidogu, mku etc, etc Yeah I think everyone knows Check, he's still a king of combos his vids are fun to watch. Yeah, @mastermalone is actually on here he's a cool dude. I feel he was one of the first guys to change my attitude when I first started gaming competitively online and in general with games. He's like the Yoda of the MKC imo, he's very smart. Yeah some of them, Shock, konqrr are still around and MM too among others. @Gerchap recently joined here, maybe you remember him from the 3D era as well?
 

mastermalone

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Yeah, same lol been one since the 90s. In fact, I used to visit the forums on old MK sites like MKO and UltimateMK back in the day, I never used to post just read the forums and I remember you as well as a few others in the 3D era. There used to be a lot of guys that used to playtest the 3D games and find all the infinites and shit. Guys like Check and other guys I remember on the forums who used to be UMK3 fanatics like Shock, Konqrr and a few other names. One thing I remember on MKO, in particular, was when a guy called Mastermalone had all the gameplay glitches and infinites from MKD and showed Boon and Co during E3 2006 when they were showing off MKA and a lot of those changes got implemented in MKA. That was a big thing the community did that I will never forget, it was awesome. MK has come a long way since those days.

I've only come back to this MK site this year after taking years off. Wanna get really good at MK11 and get to a high level. Hopefully, MK11 is region free online so I can play US players as I'm from the UK. Still love the lore too.

Sorry, this post is off topic but I used to find all your guys posts very insightful. Though I never used to post lol. Are all those guys I mentioned above still around?
I remember gathering all the notes and videos from the community and packaging it all up into nice, comprehensive bundles. Thanks to the combined efforts of the community, I was able to deliver a full regression test worth of notes and videos for MKD. When I got to E3, I headed right to the Midway booth where I ran into Steve Beran. I told him what I had for them. He got the attention of Paulo Garcia. I remember the look on Paulo's face when I explained in detail what we all put together for them. He was very surprised and excited.

He thanked me and told me how valuable that information was to them. With MKA, we saw many of the requests that were made in the notes get added to that game. We got wake up attacks, a parry system, delayed get up option and more.

Unfortunately, there were still a number of issues that were unforseen (except for a few of us) that hit MKA such as infinite air combos and create-a-character infinites. That was the beginning of the MK team (now NRS) taking community feedback seriously and applying it to their games.

I still have the pictures that I took with Ed Boon that day. They introduced me to him after I gave them the martial. It was a fun day.
 

SINGH E

Noob
I remember gathering all the notes and videos from the community and packaging it all up into nice, comprehensive bundles. Thanks to the combined efforts of the community, I was able to deliver a full regression test worth of notes and videos for MKD. When I got to E3, I headed right to the Midway booth where I ran into Steve Beran. I told him what I had for them. He got the attention of Paulo Garcia. I remember the look on Paulo's face when I explained in detail what we all put together for them. He was very surprised and excited.

He thanked me and told me how valuable that information was to them. With MKA, we saw many of the requests that were made in the notes get added to that game. We got wake up attacks, a parry system, delayed get up option and more.

Unfortunately, there were still a number of issues that were unforseen (except for a few of us) that hit MKA such as infinite air combos and create-a-character infinites. That was the beginning of the MK team (now NRS) taking community feedback seriously and applying it to their games.

I still have the pictures that I took with Ed Boon that day. They introduced me to him after I gave them the martial. It was a fun day.

Yeah, I remember reading the whole thing on MKO at the time even saw the photos on the forums, it was brilliant what you and community did then. It has obviously had a positive impact on MK games today as NRS are getting better and better with each installment.

MKA was very fun to play, I enjoyed it more than MKD. MKDA however, was always my favorite of the 3D era and will always have a soft spot, probably because I spent a lot of time on it as it was the first MK game to come out after a long time. UMK3 was my favorite in the classics and I love MK9 and MKX. Looking forward to MK11 and planning on getting really good at the game.
 

Onilordasmodeus

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I remember gathering all the notes and videos from the community and packaging it all up into nice, comprehensive bundles. Thanks to the combined efforts of the community, I was able to deliver a full regression test worth of notes and videos for MKD. When I got to E3, I headed right to the Midway booth where I ran into Steve Beran. I told him what I had for them. He got the attention of Paulo Garcia. I remember the look on Paulo's face when I explained in detail what we all put together for them. He was very surprised and excited.

He thanked me and told me how valuable that information was to them. With MKA, we saw many of the requests that were made in the notes get added to that game. We got wake up attacks, a parry system, delayed get up option and more.

Unfortunately, there were still a number of issues that were unforseen (except for a few of us) that hit MKA such as infinite air combos and create-a-character infinites. That was the beginning of the MK team (now NRS) taking community feedback seriously and applying it to their games.

I still have the pictures that I took with Ed Boon that day. They introduced me to him after I gave them the martial. It was a fun day.
Yeah, man. I remember when you did this, I was personally so HYPED for MKA after this, but yeah, when a few of the same infinites returned, it really turned me off. I didn't play MKA for real after like the first few weeks. I had so much fun with MKD (but was really salty about all the bugs and what not by the end), that I was SUPER sour on MKA and MKvsDC seeing that all the infinites and whatnot hadn't/couldn't be addressed fully. It wasn't until MK9 that I fell back in love with MK gameplay.

I'm much older now, but my passion for MK still burns (lol). I really want to make a go of getting good at MK11, at least until CEO and maybe EVO, but we'll see what life brings in the near future.

Anyway, on topic... @Charybdis you hit it out of the park with this one! HOLY SHIT you went through a lot to get all this in order. I commend you. I had a blast reading it, and am really looking forward to next week's write up. The depth of MK's lore is on full display here...and it is ridiculous! It blows my mind that this much has gone on in the lore BEFORE MK1.

Again, great job. Keep it up. And congrats on doing the semi impossible.

Edit: this project you are doing just makes me remember the explanation we go about NOT getting bios in MKA. That having that many characters in a game was like moving the titanic (paraphrasing, but I think that was the reference). There is SO MUCH INFO HERE that you really need someone to JUST do this in order to keep it all accurate and straight.
 

Charybdis

We are returned! Death to the False Emperor!
Wait til you see the Prelude to Armageddon chapter. By far the longest and most difficult to do