The Argument Against Normalized Throws

[ragnar0kz28]

throws where fine, I dont like the beta throws.

 

[gam224]

Throws should not be easy to tech but the reward for teching should be greater. You should be very positive if you tech a throw so you can start your own pressure.

 

[Crimson Panther]

Throws in tekken have pretty big tech windows. And it's not a total guess, you tech left or right and depending what arm they grabbed you with is the way you tech.

I just remember people telling me you can see it and react. I don't know maybe I didn't play it enough.

 

[Jdizzle31]

The op strongly suggests you havnt even tested it yourself. If so, how many times do you have to be completely wrong before you stop making these threads. Throws shouldnt be 50/50 AND be almost unreactable

 

[PapaRegadetho]

Throws have allegedly been normalized.

If you think that throws weren't overpowered, then using that term isn't the best idea mate.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

I'm still getting in my 8 throws a round

Also people just started to teching throws after SCR against foxy, so this is something NRS should have waited on imo.

You still need to unblock to tech, so by that rule you're opening yourself up to avoid the throw, it's no different to back then.

The fear of the throw is stronger than the throw itself.

 

[Temjiin]

When have you even been within throwing distance of an opponent though?

 

[KingHippo]

Just for the record, the throw break window was loosened by a couple of frames or so. Guarantee everyone is still getting thrown just as much and this is actually dumb overreaction.

 

[IrishMantis]

I'm still getting in my 8 throws a round



You still need to unblock to tech, so by that rule you're opening yourself up to avoid the throw, it's no different to back then.

The fear of the throw is stronger than the throw itself.

I just don't think players are at the awareness to tech throws just yet

And from my experience (opinion too I guess) there is enough of a window let go of block and tech, but j can't be sure as this is not easy to test

 

[Sultani]

throw teching window isn't the problem imo.

Throw teching inputs are stupid. my preferred option isn't here. Make throw teching 1+3.

Chip on normals and throw tech guessing is absurd. At least there's not a crapton of plus on block normals that allow a forced guess, but if you know that someone is going to use a plus on block normal as a tick throw setup, you should be allowed to read it and tech the obvious throw without having to guess which direction it is. A universal throw tech input is the only thing that should have been adopted from inustice, and for some reason it's one of the things that wasn't. Just about every other fighter has figured out throw teching inputs. MK should have been able to as well.

Characters without mixups can and have won tournaments in games where throw teching works like that.

I guess I'd vote in favor of keeping strong throws, but I honestly cannot think of any reason teching the direction should be a guess. In the corner it's usually obvious which direction they are gonig to try and throw you though.

 

[Matix218]

I've been throwing people like crazy in the beta. I know they added a frame or two to the tech window but IMO it has not changed the game drastically. Teching throws is still a guess anyway. I am fine with how throws work in the beta and tbh I still think they will be plenty strong.

 

[Juggs]

Throws are already a 50/50. If you guess right you should be able to tech it, simple as that.

 

[Sultani]

It's kind of funny to be opposed to the 50/50 meta and then argue in favor of a 50/50 that's still a 50/50 regardless of the beta change.

I just don't get why throws should be 50/50s at all. MK is the only game where they are. why?

 

[Tony at Home]

I voted to keep normalized.

If you look at the game now, an absurd amount of time is spent in the corner. 2 successful offensive openings at most will put the game in the corner and it tends to stay there.

This change gives incentive for people to mix up their throw directions, meaning if you want to throw a cornered opponent you can't guarantee yourself continued corner control as well.

 

[Tony at Home]

I really dislike the idea of the new scrubs *clears throat* sorry, new throws. Musta got some of that M2Dave stuck in my throat from lunch.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Have any of you guys actually tested throw teching in the Beta? A friend and I tested it for a good while, and I feel literally zero difference between the window of the current build and the Beta.

Is there any solid proof that there even is a larger tech window?

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Boom!

 

[Desperdicio]

So were throws supposedly reactable before the beta? Because I can't see how those are reactable but Sub-Zero's overhead is considered unreactable, for instance. I always thought it was a read when top players teched.

 

[Helter Skelter]

When have you even been within throwing distance of an opponent though?

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Hi, I'm new so it'd be great if anyone can answer these questions please as they pertain to this thread.
1) What's the difference between a "strong" throw and a "normalized" throw?
2) How do you "tech" a throw in MKX?
3) What do you guys mean when you say throws are 50/50?

 

[Colest]

Can we just make an M2Dave adlib that we can fill out every month or two to save us from his ignorance-saturated rants?

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

m2dave is still the best poster on tym

 

[Skellington]

Throws are for champs? Throws are for champs.

 

[McChillin]

I think people should start trying to duck grabs since that eliminates the guess altogether. If you can correctly read when someone is trying to grab you, why should you make another one? Higher risk/higher reward though

 

[WiseM0nkey]

I think people should start trying to duck grabs since that eliminates the guess altogether. If you can correctly read when someone is trying to grab you, why should you make another one? Higher risk/higher reward though

it's not even an higher risk to duck throws, it's the exact same risk, with the difference that you eliminate the 50/50 part and you get an higher reward by full combo punish it.

teching: higher risk / low reward
ducking: high risk / higher reward