Match-Up Discussion - Ermac Standing 4 Grants Ermac another way out of Smoke Bomb

[WhiteOut]

Not sure if I'm late to the party or not, but I just found out that when Smoke goes into his F13xxsmoke_bomb, Ermac can (if timed correctly) use his standing 4 and not get affected by the smoke bomb because in his S4 animation he is off the ground.

This standing 4 then of course can be canceled into a teleport and turn into a full combo.

Disclaimer: This isn't entirely useful (as you can jump out before the smoke bomb and get the same result), but I still found it interesting. The video shows different ways you can stun/get out of it. Try it yourself.

Edit: Well maybe it is useful (if you master the timing), looking at the points and videos you all made.

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

fuck ermac

 

[Tanno]

fuck ermac

#FuckErmac

 

[navaroNe]

cool find ,does it work against all of smoke's strings into smoke bomb?

 

[Darth Mao]

Delete him from the game.

 

[STRYKIE]

Nice find, shit BNB though.

 

[WhiteOut]

cool find ,does it work against all of smoke's strings into smoke bomb?

I couldn't tell you honestly, I was surprised when this happened. I'll have to lab a little more to see.

 

[navaroNe]

sounds good, I'm interesting in testing it out against a few moves to see if that property sticks like maybe against Mileena's ball roll or against Cyrax/Cyber Sub bomb setups possibly

 

[Youphemism]

@Nausea @BxA Ragnarök

 

[coconutshrimp]

Clearly this means Ermac is top 1 in the game and should be nerfed into oblivion

Nice find dude.

 

[omooba]

not entirely useless because doing the jump in punch and punishing isn't exactly easy so yeah usefulness depends on if he this is easier to time or harder.

 

[Ragnarök Tyr]

Looks as though it works with B1 and F13 into Smoke Bomb. B3 will still get caught and ex smoke bomb will catch.

Nice find.

 

[Nausea]

Nice stuff man! I've just had a very Spectral specific idea so thank you!

 

[Nausea]

Props again @WhiteOut here's the most optimal way to punish this with Spectral

@Youphemism Cheers for the tag btw breh!

 

[shura30]

Props again @WhiteOut here's the most optimal way to punish this with Spectral

@Youphemism Cheers for the tag btw breh!

wtf
42% punish

 

[tafka Djinn]

...here's the most optimal way to punish this with Spectral

...

I guess the good news is I have a counterpick option for Smoke other than brushing up on GM Sub. I've already been practicing Spectral since the b12 Float was found to still work, so HQT/Spectral life it is for me.

 

[Nausea]

wtf
42% punish

Spectral m8.

 

[WhiteOut]

Props again @WhiteOut here's the most optimal way to punish this with Spectral

@Youphemism Cheers for the tag btw breh!

Nice man!! I really appreciate it! I never even thought of hover actually. It definitely pays off if you can time it correctly though. Also, I've seen your CC games and I'm definitely a fan!

 

[Nausea]

Nice man!! I really appreciate it! I never even thought of hover actually. It definitely pays off if you can time it correctly though. Also, I've seen your CC games and I'm definitely a fan!

Yeah the timing is not that bad to be fair! It's easy to get the Soul Ascension to come out, it's just getting the link of the 1234. 234 is easier but only a measly 39%

And thank you man, I appreciate it

 

[WhiteOut]

@Nausea @BxA Ragnarök Would you believe that I found this while fighting the CPU on very hard? It kept doing this to me and it was pissing me off .

 

[Youphemism]

Props again @WhiteOut here's the most optimal way to punish this with Spectral

@Youphemism Cheers for the tag btw breh!

No problemo! Does B1 get over smoke bomb by any chance? Maybe you could get B12 into all of that?

@Nausea @BxA Ragnarök Would you believe that I found this while fighting the CPU on very hard? It kept doing this to me and it was pissing me off .

Lmao! Very hard AI knows all the tech

 

[Nausea]

No problemo! Does B1 get over smoke bomb by any chance? Maybe you could get B12 into all of that?

Nah it trades man. Seems like Soul Ascension is the way to go though anyway. 42% lmao.

 

[GAV]

Err-turn of the Mack!!!

 

[The Farmer]

Props again @WhiteOut here's the most optimal way to punish this with Spectral

@Youphemism Cheers for the tag btw breh!

42 percent no bar???????????? This character can go to hell in a dumpster fire. Seriously. Too many characters have to spend a bar just for 35, this is midscreen too.

 

[Nausea]

42 percent no bar???????????? This character can to hell in a dumpster fire. Seriously. Too many characters have to spend a bar just for 35, this is midscreen too.

Raw Soul Ascension starts are uncommon and very situational. Not to mention, if blocked, is full of holes.

He can get 51% Meterless in the corner aswell so add that to your fire