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Strategy Smoke Frame Data Conlusions - Blocked String Gaps

Chaosphere

The Free Meter Police
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First of all, big credit to Somberness. I used his frame data to draw these conclusions.

This is a rough draft of a chart I made to show all of the frame gaps in Smoke's combo strings. ALL of his combo strings. I wanted to make these charts to see what strings are punishable, and what I can do to punish them. Some strings have large gaps. Some strings have gaps of only 1 or 2 frames. Unfortunately you have to know your own character's frame data to find out what you can punish with, but I plan on making these charts for as many characters as I can.

I want to point out though that just because something has a certain amount of frames in a gap, that doesn't necessarily mean that only moves of that amount of frames or less will win. Moves like mileena's d4 can throw things off due to having such a low hitbox, but this is a rare case.

Like I said earlier, this is a rough draft. If there's any erroneous information or anything that looks like a typo, let me know. If you have any suggestions to make this easier to read, I'm open. If you have any questions let me know.

 

RapZiLLa54

Monster Island Tournaments
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Ah so d1 or d3 into smoke bomb = Reptile dash. Interesting.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
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jesus fucking christ


this makes me wonder if armor moves can slip through as well.
lol, I don't think so for standard armored moves...i would think you'd see the meter drain. maybe ex nut punch since it is invincible. i will take my chances though if people want to go for a just frame punish where if they don't hit that right I get the back end of a combo off a launcher.
 

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
lol, I don't think so for standard armored moves...i would think you'd see the meter drain. maybe ex nut punch since it is invincible. i will take my chances though if people want to go for a just frame punish where if they don't hit that right I get the back end of a combo off a launcher.
it's not even risky though. If you have x-ray you can hold block (r2) and just mash l2. If it comes out it comes out, if not you never unblocked.
 

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
hahaha. I never realized that I can punish any smoke bomb string with dash. KT Smith shit just got real lol
yea man, smoke bomb is -9 on block so you have a 3 frame window to dash. I've known for forever that throwing a SB at the end of a blocked string is a no no, so you'll only see it from me on a bad hit confirm.

Can someone please confirm whether or not you can break the 3d12 string with armor or just x-ray? Somberness ?
 

Dizzy

False Information Police Officer
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NetherRealm Studios
Dont try to xray that with cage. :(
 

THTB

When's Syzoth?
If you can X-Ray it, you can EX through. It's just hard as shit.

Wouldn't surprise me if eventually JF armoring through gaps like this become super common.

Shit like this makes me happy Reptile's strings have no gaps. :)
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
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it's not even risky though. If you have x-ray you can hold block (r2) and just mash l2. If it comes out it comes out, if not you never unblocked.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, that does sound like a good strategy. I wonder how effective it really is even with mashing, but you are right if you still have block held there is little or no penalty.
 
If you can X-Ray it, you can EX through. It's just hard as shit.

Wouldn't surprise me if eventually JF armoring through gaps like this become super common.

Shit like this makes me happy Reptile's strings have no gaps. :)
Couldn't you apply the same technique used to xray out by holding black, mashing back and then as you let go of block hit f4 and then the neg edge would apply the block to your slide and make it ex?
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
it's not even risky though. If you have x-ray you can hold block (r2) and just mash l2. If it comes out it comes out, if not you never unblocked.
This is a pad player only trick. If you use a stick and you want to do this you have to set a button to switch stances as in this game, preset buttons =/= the buttons they represent are being pressed.
 

NkdSingularity

Truth and Ugly
it's not even risky though. If you have x-ray you can hold block (r2) and just mash l2. If it comes out it comes out, if not you never unblocked.
In Tom Bradys defending against Raiden video he said that to interrupt strings with x-ray you have to let go of block, hold L2 and mash R2.
 

Somberness

Lights
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If you can X-Ray it, you can EX through. It's just hard as shit.

Wouldn't surprise me if eventually JF armoring through gaps like this become super common.

Shit like this makes me happy Reptile's strings have no gaps. :)
Meter drain bug doesn't ALWAYS happen. It's still possible to armor out.
Proof needed, interrupt the string with armor. :)