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Red Hood MKX

Mercenary dog
Dude. Smoke is still doing the exact same shit. The ONLY actual nerf that affects him is the damage reduction. You're acting like they took EVERYTHING away from him, and he basically didn't even change. He is intact outside of damage. Normal smoke bomb is actually not even punishable anymore. His vortex actually BENEFITS from the slower b3.

Like, I'm more or less convinced you're just trolling right now. Because you'd have to be one ignorant person to actually think Smoke really got "insane" nerfs.
Dude give me a break your telling me now that we dont have a guaranteed 50/50 vortex and our damage is shit that smoke is just fine give me a break im done with you. they dint even fix his wiffing issues smoke has more holes in his game now. honestly look at the character compared to others like johny milena dvorah he just can not compete. the guaranteed vortex gave him some sort of dirt now we have nothing thanks NRS 30 dollars wasted
 

THTB

When's Syzoth?
Dude give me a break your telling me now that we dont have a guaranteed 50/50 vortex and our damage is shit that smoke is just fine give me a break im done with you. they dint even fix his wiffing issues smoke has more holes in his game now. honestly look at the character compared to others like johny milena dvorah he just can not compete. the guaranteed vortex gave him some sort of dirt now we have nothing thanks NRS 30 dollars wasted
Like I've been saying, b3 is still guaranteed off of 21. You have to block that or you're just going to get looped into it over and over again. If you want a 100% guaranteed vortex, you have to do j2. But realistically, the opponent is going to block anyway so that b3 doesn't hit. Mix things up right, and it legit doesn't even matter.

Smoke's damage was already not that good, and like I said, it's the biggest nerf he actually received in all honesty, just because it's going to take longer to kill. I'm not even downplaying that, since it is what it is. The character still does the same shit as before.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
Well hopfully thats not the last patch. i think they could do something to compensate for this Cyrax atrocity that is the 3-29 Nerf.

And that armor is a joke!

My Favorite character is not looking so good.

Glad they gave him armor just wish it was worth something. seems like a waist of Meter being 11% and leading to nothing. it launches them so far away you don't even have time to make them guess. that would be worth a bar if he got a forced guess off it.

but sadly it seems he has bad neutral and can't get any damage.

unless some how NRS makes some normals better.

whats funny is i can still use HTB's
and i can get 34% meterless

ATM i havent found a way to do more than 4 bombs. but thats just cuz i havent had much time to lab. i believe he may be able to juggle 4 hover bombs and maybe an aditional 3 low bombs in one combo. but who knows?
 

SatsuiYesHadou

Yung Kneecaps
LOL ok guys sorry you all have to actually play footsies, have fundamentals and spacing, and be mindful before making a decision now. Sorry for your nerfs I guess but hey how about stop sobbing about what's not gonna be undone, and learn how to play fighting games now and deal with trying to improve yourself as a player instead of relying on your character to do it all for you.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Sektor and Smoke are still 100% fine, anyone saying otherwise is straight up overreacting.

Cyrax changes made me scratch my head a bit. Went overboard with him for sure but he might still be salvageable.

CSZ changes are hilariously overkill and he's pretty much fucked lol.
 

shura30

Shura
For real, actually read the changes and look at his frame data.
except the game isn't only made frame advantage / speed
hitbox, hurtbox and range are to be considered too

smoke is without range on pokes, those 4 more frames on b3 weigh a ton for whiff punishes


Dude. Smoke is still doing the exact same shit. The ONLY actual nerf that affects him is the damage reduction.
on paper yes
for real not, working your way in with his previous tools still required brain to bait the opponent into something that could've been jumped out on reaction
and the advantages we had on those hits was the perfect tradeoff once you got in

walk back and backdashes are going to be our nightmare

smoke would've been saved if, in addition to the actual nerfs that are still somewhat justifiable, f4 d1 would've been an overhead, universal b1 SB combo, teleport didn't trade with basically everything and the whole 111 chain revisited with less negative frames and gaps

on top of that they should've fixed his whiffing problem first


I believe smoke got the short end of the stick because of cyrax..the variation system is still stupid to me because there's no way to normalize one without affecting the others
 

THTB

When's Syzoth?
except the game isn't only made frame advantage / speed
hitbox, hurtbox and range are to be considered too

smoke is without range on pokes, those 4 more frames on b3 weigh a ton for whiff punishes




on paper yes
for real not, working your way in with his previous tools still required brain to bait the opponent into something that could've been jumped out on reaction
and the advantages we had on those hits was the perfect tradeoff once you got in

walk back and backdashes are going to be our nightmare

smoke would've been saved if, in addition to the actual nerfs that are still somewhat justifiable, f4 d1 would've been an overhead, universal b1 SB combo, teleport didn't trade with basically everything and the whole 111 chain revisited with less negative frames and gaps

on top of that they should've fixed his whiffing problem first


I believe smoke got the short end of the stick because of cyrax..the variation system is still stupid to me because there's no way to normalize one without affecting the others
Hold on, why are you whiff punishing with b3? F1 and f4 are your go to whiff punishers, not b3.
 

xxFalcon Loverxx

Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget.
LOL ok guys sorry you all have to actually play footsies, have fundamentals and spacing, and be mindful before making a decision now. Sorry for your nerfs I guess but hey how about stop sobbing about what's not gonna be undone, and learn how to play fighting games now and deal with trying to improve yourself as a player instead of relying on your character to do it all for you.
If our character actually had footsies and a good neutral.




Yes, i would.
 

DDutchguy

Raiden enthusiast
What defines a good neutral according to the people here? I see the sentence "this character has a bad/trash/garbage/non-existent neutral" being thrown around so frequently yet no one ever explains it.
 
Dude. Smoke is still doing the exact same shit. The ONLY actual nerf that affects him is the damage reduction. You're acting like they took EVERYTHING away from him, and he basically didn't even change. He is intact outside of damage. Normal smoke bomb is actually not even punishable anymore. His vortex actually BENEFITS from the slower b3.

Like, I'm more or less convinced you're just trolling right now. Because you'd have to be one ignorant person to actually think Smoke really got "insane" nerfs.
You think his vortex has been benefited? GTFO
 
LOL ok guys sorry you all have to actually play footsies, have fundamentals and spacing, and be mindful before making a decision now. Sorry for your nerfs I guess but hey how about stop sobbing about what's not gonna be undone, and learn how to play fighting games now and deal with trying to improve yourself as a player instead of relying on your character to do it all for you.
Oh dear.
 

Matix218

Get over here!
What the hell are you talking about smoke is not fine do you even play the character we dont have any armor no damage no guaranteed vortex no fast teleport no fast projectile b21 whiffs all the time tell me how is smoke still fine
Yes I play smoke.

Vortex is still a major threat. If someone tries to armor out they have a 1 frame window to do it. And that window only works against the overhead, the low is guaranteed. And if they miss the armor window of 1 FRAME they will not be blocking so your overhead is guaranteed to HIT. Smoke never had armor and that was clearly by design. He is essentially the same as he was pre patch. And you complain about damage but you have a SAFE VORTEX. you my friend do not know what you are talking about. Do I wish they made the teleport faster or added armor or fixed some of the mid whiffing issues? Sure. But this character is far from terrible. You are overreacting bigtime