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Or you could just give him those heavy weapons (which weren't that good for zoning anyway) and allow player to decide if he wants to use them at any given moment or not.
Or you could just give him those heavy weapons (which weren't that good for zoning anyway) and allow player to decide if he wants to use them at any given moment or not.
That won't work. Not only it would make every character to fill the same it will also hurt the balance of the game as some characters will be too strong. You need to give the players the option of gameplan overall, not the option of toola alone.
HW Jax was in no way a zoner/defensive character. Just because he had a machinegun which was useless and a bazooka doesnt make him a zoner, lol.
He was a much more defensive Jax, he might have not beem that good, but his gameplan was different then the one of Pumped Up and Wrestler.
If any of his variations was defensive it was Pumped Up. Please, stop saying stuff you obviously know nothing about. Just because a character can shoot 2 types of projectiles doesn't mean its a defensive archetype.
But he wasn't the Rushdown-only character he usually is, wasn't he? Even if he was an offensive Zoner, he was still not an up close Rushdown char like Wrestler. Yes he could do the run canceling, but he didn't had the throws he has in Wrestler. He was a Zoner in Heavy Weapons.
Wow, Im gonna stop here because you really don't know what the fuck are you talking about and are too stubborn to realize you are absolutely not right.
I'm not posting any misinformation. Jax had Rushdown capabilities in all of his Variations in MKX, but his Heavy Weapons one did have Zoning capabilities as well. He wasn't the best Zoner, that is true, but he wasn't a Rushdown only character in that Variation. That's not misinformation bro, and you need to calm down with your attitude too.
Having a projectile doesnt mean you are a zoner. You are seriously beyond any help.
That is true in general, but HW Jax could've covered more then one angle with his projectiles. If you can cover different areas with your moves, including projectiles, then you're a Zoner or at least a character that can Zone to an extend. It's not like Hellfire Scorpion who's projectile was merely for the Run cancel mechanic and not for Zoning. If you don't understand that, then I don't know what to tell you bro.
^This. There's also the fact most of these characters are 20 years old now, and their general backstories are well known and have not changed drastically with the revised timeline.
No it's not. And yeah I probably got confused for a moment but my point still stands here.
No, your point doesn't stands here.
First of all you need to stop with attitude. Even uf you are right it is not necesary.
"Yo, i heard a word a long time ago and I thought it was legit so Im gonna post it to look kewl even though I don't know what it means or if its even a legit word."
I never called myself a specialist or ever said or thought that I'm better then everyone else. I did just one mistake but my general point still stands. One wrong term doesn't ruin a whole argument.
ftfy.
That can be a compromise I suppose, but then again the character will still have the same gameplan, unlike with the Variation system of which it can alter the gameplan more into your own preferred one. They should still keep the Variations, only 2 instead of 3.
I'm calling YOU out of posting misinformation, what do you expect a smile in the face and pat in your back?
So you knew you were wrong yet you posted misinformation about it on purpose?
No, your point doesn't stand, HW is a rushdown character with a projectile just as slow as Scorpion, he can fire projectiles indeed hold his bazooka shot and aim it but that wasn't built for zoning, specially on a game where everyone runs at lightspeeds has armor to nuliffy most of it, you can't zone with that period.
Yet you posted misinformation about it, intentionally?
I'm having a hard time believing in whatever you say, because it just shows you don't know what you're talking about, at this point your explanation has lost a lot of credibility to me, because even you are lost in your own words, it would be fine if you just said "i just want a viariation system with 2 viariations at the very least" , no further explanation or justification needed, but you shouldn't expect anyone to follow suit.
He was all about LAW cancels, which is close combat option. He became trash the moment that stopped being advantageous. I've seen people actually shooting extra projectiles on higher level of play maybe once, especially if you consider that HW loses its default energy wave that is actually a better projectile.
Just check out other FGs. Having tools for many situations on most character doesn't mean characters will approach those situations in the same way. A notion that characters must fit into some archetype is old and tired, and in fact it is the reason for polarized matchups NRS games suffer.
Characters aren't weak or strong in vacuum. Balance only exists in the context of entire game with all its characters out for comparison.
I just don't think character select screen being the only place to pick your gameplan is the only way things could be done.
No, I posted this info and only AFTER that I realized I was wrong. Even if I was wrong, I never post stuff on purpose, and defiantly not to mislead anyone on purpose. I made a mistake and that's it.
As I said I have never posted stuff on purpose to mislead people. And trust me I've seen who post misinformation on the internet on purpose and I'm not of them at all. I'm not like any of these people, and I called a lot of them out myself, not just on TYM but everywhere. And yes I made a mistake, and unlike these people I have the guts to admit I was wrong when people show me the proofs why I'm wrong. Me making one mistake doesn't put me in the same boat as them.
So let me get this straight: I'm making one mistake about Jax, and that means I don't know what I'm talking about regarding any topic including the Variation system in general and other topics? Even though my explanation on the OP was legit after experiencing MKX as well as other fighting games on a more serious level for years, as well as my posts regarding Reptile specifically in the lore that I made towards @Hara-Killer and @Israel , but yet I don't know what I'm talking about at all even regarding these topics of either competitive play or the MK lore, only because I made one mistake regarding one character and one Variation? That's fucking ridiculous beyond any fucking belief and at this point YOUR credibility, at least for this particular argument, has been lost. I make one mistake and you make a salad off of everything, or at least that's what it seems.
Ok now I understand regarding Jax specifically, thank you.
I understand regarding the tools vs. approach thing, but I won't say NRS games suffer from polarized MU's. There are different types of archetypes and MU's in NRS games just like in other games. And yes none of the characters has ever had the exact same tool set in each game, but the very core of their gameplay was the same.
Ok then, I understand.
That's not what I meant. What i meant to say is that you need to give the players the options change their gameplan overall to fit more into their preferred style of play, not just picking one or 2 tools instead of another because it is very hard to alter the gameplan of a character by just one or 2 moves, if not even impossible. It doesn't matter if they pick on the character selection screen or somewhere else in the game.
