How is this even possible, when you have to use a bar of meter, to even get that "zone" type of style?It looks ridiculous, I agree, but they obviously didn't want Spawn to be a strong zoner. It is what it is.
looks at Spawn's fireball
Erm. That's a fascinating statement to make.
Necro blast is a great fireball; never said it wasn't. It's also got some weaknesses (has long recovery, EX mid can be low-profiled, opponent can jump out and punish in some situations). And at the end of the day, it mostly does what fireballs do. Having a strong fireball doesn't make you a strong zoner. Would you call Baraka a zoner?And like fluffy said, his normal fireball is high fullscreen and when you meterburn it, it gets also a fullscreen mid-projectile. And on top, you can delay it, to make it even better to zone with.
I have never said that spawn is a strong zoner ... it's ok.Having a strong fireball doesn't make you a strong zoner. Would you call Baraka a zoner?
I'm not sure we're really following each other here, but that's fine; this was a strange argument to begin with.I have never said that spawn is a strong zoner ... it's ok.
I (and fluffy) just said, that his default fireball-tool is a better zoning tool, than his guns even IF(!) they would go fullscreen.
And your argue was, his guns are not fullscreen, else he could be a strong zoner.
The question is, could he be a strong zoner, when his meter-burn(!) version, would go fullscreen like Rambos? No, but it would feel more "realistic"/"immersive", especially when we see with Rambo that it could be like that.
And I think many agree with me, that his default fireball is way better than his gun to pick.
When they opened up the variation system, that move became almost useless.
(one slot used and a replacement? Nah bad deal, that AA gun isnt that good.)
And on Baraka, I would also say, not a "strong" zoner, but he can zone.
ps: One extra argue, the variation system is also meant to pick moves to your personal playstyle/preference.
(little bit more zoning? little bit more dmg? little bit more utility? etc.)
So is Rambo a zoner? I’m assuming by this logic you are saying he is. (I am legit asking as I dropped mk11 long before Rambo came out and have no idea)I'm not sure we're really following each other here, but that's fine; this was a strange argument to begin with.
If you look at Spawn's overall design (buttons, specials, movement)--not just one or two moves in isolation--it's very clear that he's not meant to be a "zoning character." Yeah he can do a bit of zoning (as can anyone with a fireball), but it's not how he's meant to win matches; his strengths are in other areas.
If you want to argue that Spawn should have stronger gun moves just from a character lore perspective, agreed, I'm with you on that. But then you also have to say what you're willing to give up to get that. Giving Spawn a Rambo-style MG to zone with, on top of everything else he has, would totally break his current balance. NRS isn't going to dial-up his zoning without dialing him down in other areas.
Could be an interesting discussion to have, but I dare say mostly for kicks. Of the many things the NRS community pisses and moans about, zoning is near top of the list. If NRS really were to turn Spawn into a "zoner", people would lose their shit about it. And he honestly is more interesting and fun to play the way he is. So if you want strong zoning, you should probably play someone else.
No, I wouldn't call Rambo a zoner. He does have a full-screen machine gun (I was only referencing this visual aspect) but it's not a good move as far as I can tell (haven't really learned the character yet though). Which honestly should tell you guys everything you need to know about how NRS is approaching these kinds of moves.So is Rambo a zoner? I’m assuming by this logic you are saying he is. (I am legit asking as I dropped mk11 long before Rambo came out and have no idea)