NDC Pressure and block strings (What to know/expect)

[Lulzlou]

Work in progress

This thread is to help anyone struggling fighting kabal. I've played with a lot of people on psn and they sit there while I pressure them not knowing what to do. Kabal is a handful for almost all of the cast so its good to know the frame data. I'm making it easy to read because I know there are a lot of you that don't know what to look for.

Here is the link to the actual frame data thread
http://testyourmight.com/threads/kabal-frame-data.9693/

Frames and Advantages

I wanted to add the block advantages so you know what you can punish if the ndc doesn't come out. I've seen a lot of kabals get away with messing up a ndc.

Specials;
Nomad dash - 18 frame start up - Can be canceled at the 16th frame <--this is how you can figure out advantages
Tornado Slam - Overhead, 21frame start up, -9 on block
Buzzsaw - Low, 9frame start up, -12 on block
Nomad Charge - 11frames - Can be canceled on the 12th frame - super armor ONLY on start up

Strings
F3 - 13 Frames, -2 on block, cancel advantage on block +17 <--How you can tell if you poke or armor out
F32 - Second hit is 15 frame start up, -4 on block, cancel advantage on block +19

B1 - 13 frames, on block -3, cancel advantage on block +18
B12 - second hit 23frames, -16 on block, cancel advantage +19,

1 - 13frames, 0 on block, cancel advantage on block +14
11 - second hit is 12frames, -3 on block, cancel advantage on block +14
111 - third hit is 16 frames, -2 on block, cancel advantage on block +25
11B4 - third hit is 17frames, -10 on block, cancel advantage on block +18,

2 - 9frames, 0 on block, cancel advantage on block +26
21 - second hit 12 frames, 0 on block, cancel advantage on block +18

B2 - 15frames, 0 on block, cancel advantage on block +19

F4 - 9frames, -11 on block, cancel advantage on block +12

D4 - 12 frames, -2 on block, +11 on hit, Cancel advantage +15 on block, +28 on hit

3 - 17 frames, -4 on block, cancel advantage +20

4 - 12 frames, -6 on block, cancel advantage +16

D1 - 7frames, -13 on block, cancel advantage +2

D3- 7frames, -7 on block, cancel advantage +2

NDC Advantage
F3ndc +1 on block
F32ndc +3 on block
F3~ex ndc +6 on block
F32~ex ndc +8 on block

Spoiler

B1~ndc +2 on block
B12~ndc +3 on block
B1~ex ndc +7 on block
b12~ex ndc +8 on block

Spoiler

2~ndc +10 on block
21~ndc +2
2~ex ndc +15 on block
21~ex ndc +7 on block

Spoiler

111~ndc +9
11b4~ndc +2
111~ex ndc +14 on block
11b4~ex ndc +7 on block

Spoiler

b2~ndc +3 on block
b2~ex ndc +8 on block

3~ndc +4 on block
3~ex ndc +9 on block

4~ndc 0 on block
4~ex ndc +5 on block

F4~ndc -4 on block
F4~ex ndc +1 on block

D1/3~ndc -14 on block
D1/3~ex ndc -9 on block

D4~ndc -1 on block
D4~ex ndc +4 on block

Spoiler

Block String holes

The gap is where you can Armor out of the string.
For a better understanding look at this thread
http://testyourmight.com/threads/kabal-frame-data-conclusions-blocked-string-gaps.15312/

F3-(4frame gap)-tornado slam
F32-(2frame gap)-tornado slam - Very risky since its 2frames

b1-(3frame gap)-tornado slam
b1-(5frame gap)-2 | Yes, you can interrupt this string. Example: Raiden's Teleport
B12-(2frame gap)-tornado slam

11-(3frame gap)-B4
11b4-(3frame gap)-tornado slam

21-(3frame gap)-tornado slam

b2(2frame gap)-tornado slam

F4-(10frame gap)-1+2
F4-(9frame gap)-tornado slam
F4-(6frame gap)-nomad dash

3-(1frame gap)-tornado slam

4-(5frame gap)-tornado slam

d1/3-(7frame gap)-saw
d1/3-(19frame gap)-tornado slam

d4-(6frame gap)-tornado slam



Shenanigans

Doing this all over again soon

 

[Squeaker101]

Now I can finally study this thread, MKU is weird to look at.

Great stuff! This will help many people. (including myself)

 

[Lulzlou]

Now I can finally study this thread, MKU is weird to look at.

Great stuff! This will help many people. (including myself)

Thanks man c: I'll be slowly updating both.

Also, Add my new account on psn if you need more exp. We can run some games where I only pressure you and you try to poke out.

 

[Squeaker101]

Thanks man c: I'll be slowly updating both.

Also, Add my new account on psn if you need more exp. We can run some games where I only pressure you and you try to poke out.

I'm on xbox too, so if it's more convenient (like me) I can add you on there. We haven't foughten in ages. ;_;

Now. Study time. : D

 

[Espio]

You are my favorite hipster <3.

On a serious note,going to have to sit down soon and read over/watch in full detail, this is the info people need to know, I love it.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

So there's no gaps in 1, 1 / Tornado Slam?

Checked. 7 frame gap to the Tornado Slam

 

[Lulzlou]

So there's no gaps in 1, 1 / Tornado Slam?

I chose not to do that because no one uses 11 into anything. I could add it if you want.

Also I've updated it with the correct advantages.
Everything had an extra frame of advantage with ndc

 

[xInfra Deadx]

http://testyourmight.com/threads/kabal-frame-data-conclusions-blocked-string-gaps.15312/

Here's a thread that everyone should take a look at.

 

[Lulzlou]

http://testyourmight.com/threads/kabal-frame-data-conclusions-blocked-string-gaps.15312/

Here's a thread that everyone should take a look at.

I'll add the link to my guide c; thank you.

 

[Lulzlou]

Updated for the people that actually give a shit
I fixed some of the parts at the end.

edit; adding spoilers now

 

[Shadow316]

This is probably irrelevant, but...

Does Kabal's deep jump kick to Gas Blast have more advantage on block if done when the opponent is in the corner?

It just looks like it does.

 

[Skitzo]

This is probably irrelevant, but...

Does Kabal's deep jump kick to Gas Blast have more advantage on block if done when the opponent is in the corner?

It just looks like it does.

It's +5 no matter what

 

[Lulzlou]

Updated for people that care.
I added IAGB in mid pressure as a mix up.

Thanks to anyone that supports this.

 

[Breaker]

Buzzsaw - Low, 9frame start up, -12 on block

Fallacy!! It's 0 frame start up just like the Ice colon, hence why you can't throw 2 of them consecutively.

 

[Saltea Moonspell]

Hmm, i havent been into Kabal forums for eternity. I see that some people are still working on shit. (to bad Kreathen stopped playing and exploring Kabal). I like teh 2 ndc iagb - never seen that before. Finally i have some time to expand my Kabal's armory.
Good stuff Lulzlou

 

[Axel_Redd]

i got a question, when u say something has like a 2 frame gap, do u mean only a 2 frame or less move could escape?

 

[Skitzo]

i got a question, when u say something has like a 2 frame gap, do u mean only a 2 frame or less move could escape?

Yes or you can try to armor out, it's a tight window as you can see. Probably gonna get meter burn lol

 

[Axel_Redd]

Yes or you can try to armor out, it's a tight window as you can see. Probably gonna get meter burn lol

ah sooo,,,, anything less than 6 frame gap can't be escaped with anything besides parry's, armor, or raiden teleport then? or a jump right?

 

[Skitzo]

ah sooo,,,, anything less than 6 frame gap can't be escaped with anything besides parry's, armor, or raiden teleport then? or a jump right?

Yes, that makes sense.

 

[Red Reaper]

Lulzlou Your frame data is 1 frame off. Nomad Dash Kancels off of normals is 1 frame more. So it's 17 instead of 16. Somberness said it and it's posted in the duration frames of Nomad Dash.