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My Glacius Match Up Chart

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
I MEANT MU LIST. lol

for now I think it goes like this, but it could change in the future.

4-6 Sadira (on her favor)
4-6 Jago
5-5 Sabrewulf
5-5 Thunder
5-5 Orchid (could be 4-6 in the future)

what do you guys think?
 
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Orochi

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IN B4 Vagrant comes and blows you up for making a MU thread 2 months in the game (who the fuck cares?)

here's my opinion

Sadira is 3-7 in her favor could be worse
Jago is 4-6 in his favor
Thunder is 4-6 in his favor
Sabre is 5-5 (possibly 4-6 in his favor)
Orchid is 5-5 (possibly 4-6 in her favor)

That is all.
 

ColdBoreMK23

Noob Saibot
Sabrewulf 5-5
Orchid 5-5
Jago 5-5
Thunder 5-5
Sadira 4.5-5.5


Sadira gives him the most trouble in my opinion.

Sabrewulf could be 4-6 if he gets in or it could be 6-4 is Glacius plays good footsies and spacing.


Also, Glacius mirrors are 2-8 for me at least. Worst mirror in the game.
 

Vagrant

Noob
lol 3-7.

Even though posthuman is putting up matchup numbers for 3 month old matchups... at least he kept them reasonable.

Out of all of his matchups I think glacius thunder is the most intriguing. will be fun to see how it evolves.
 

Orochi

Scorpion Scrub
Premium Supporter
Sadira has all the tools to beat Glacius convincingly, why does she need to run away again?

Glacius is specially weak to cross ups/non cross ups mixups he has no consistent wake ups or way to anti air except by a shadow hail, which is risky because she can do her jump attack and stuff Glacius making him waste meter. The most efficient way for glacius to get out of her pressure is to shadow cold shoulder which also requires meter.

Sadira's main weakness is her lack of wake up game, which glacius can't really exploit because he has no low/OH mixups and his floaty jump does not make a jump OH viable (Aside from not having a cross up jump). Sadira just needs to watch the shatter which is totally reactable, then she's off to her air game

Glacius main threat is his grounded shatter/hail - which Sadira avoids because she's constantly in the air, Glacius fights back with hail but webs can get rid of it then good luck from there.

This makes the MU 6-4

Sadira's Instinct makes the MU 7-3 however only 3 Sadiras are using Instinct effectively atm, with combos that are nearly unbreakable that lead to a web/cross up mixup. Let's not forget his long limbs/jump work against him so he really can only block. Glacius instinct is not very threatening to her she just needs to look out for shatter then jump away and take the hit of armor glacius has with a web.

With that said Spinal will probably end up a worse MU than this since he can absorb shatter/hail to power-up LOL and that's just the beginning of it.
 
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Vagrant

Noob
Sadira has all the tools to beat Glacius convincingly, why does she need to run away again?

Glacius is specially weak to cross ups/non cross ups mixups he has no consistent wake ups or way to anti air except by a shadow hail, which is risky because she can do her jump attack and stuff Glacius making him waste meter. The most efficient way for glacius to get out of her pressure is to shadow cold shoulder which also requires meter.

Sadira's main weakness is her lack of wake up game, which glacius can't really exploit because he has no low/OH mixups and his floaty jump does not make a jump OH viable (Aside from not having a cross up jump). Sadira just needs to watch the shatter which is totally reactable, then she's off to her air game

Glacius main threat is his grounded shatter/hail - which Sadira avoids because she's constantly in the air, Glacius fights back with hail but webs can get rid of it then good luck from there.

This makes the MU 6-4

Sadira's Instinct makes the MU 7-3 however only 3 Sadiras are using Instinct effectively atm, with combos that are nearly unbreakable that lead to a web/cross up mixup. Let's not forget his long limbs/jump work against him so he really can only block. Glacius instinct is not very threatening to her she just needs to look out for shatter then jump away and take the hit of armor glacius has with a web.

With that said Spinal will probably end up a worse MU than this since he can absorb shatter/hail to power-up LOL and that's just the beginning of it.
I'm done with this "back and forth" between you and I.

You really just kind of live in your own world with your own assumptions. I honestly don't know how to explain things to you because you don't care. You cling to your view of the game and nothing that I can do to try to explain stuff to you will change that.

I wanted you guys to take a better approach to fighting games on these forums because I want you to set better examples to new players who visit this site. That's why I get on peoples cases on these forums. But It is quite obvious that it isn't working. And that's fine. from now on, I will just play the game for me, for my friends in the scene, and let players like yourself just ramble on.

Best of luck
 
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Orochi

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I'm done with this "back and forth" between you and I.

You really just kind of live in your own world with your own assumptions. I honestly don't know how to explain things to you because you don't care. You cling to your view of the game and nothing that I can do to try to explain stuff to you will change that.

I wanted you guys to take a better approach to fighting games on these forums because I want you to set better examples to new players who visit this site. That's why I get on peoples cases on these forums. But It is quite obvious that it isn't working. And that's fine. from now on, I will just play the game for me, for my friends in the scene, and let players like yourself just ramble on.

Best of luck
Dude don't quote me ever again, just get off my case for once and do your thing which is complain about other players (except me cause you won't quote me anymore) not doing what you like.

I don't need anyones approval to post what I want and specially not yours LOL
 

ll Nooby ll

To Live is to Die
I feel that Glacius is going to be like Dhalsim from st. He's going to have winning or even matchups for the most part, but it will take a lot of time and dedication to be a good At the mus and be a good Glacius player overall.
 

FpS__King

Keep it Free.
Sadira VS Glacius 4-6 7-3 When Sadira instinct is active.

Sadira must stay full screen from glacius to be safe.
Glacius can bait combo breakers for free from Full screen without fear.
Sadira loses air trades from mid to slightly far range due to Glacius limbs.
But glacius limbs can be hit by Sadiras projectiles. It Sadira does the heavy projectile and hits glacius HK at a certain moment, the her kick will wiff and she will be launched full screen.
Sadira can with slight risk because Glacius do not have much tools to AA with.

Sadira Instinct active

Sadira Can Jump Cancels all of her strings
Jump Cancels during her combos turn everything into manuals and a ultimate mixup.
Web Gives her free counter breaker attempts. If she fails she can continue her combo anyways.
All of Glacius air attacks gets stuffed by the web.
Bad placement of the web turns the MU back to 4-6 Until the web goes away and is able to be used again.




Jago Vs Glacius 5-5

Jago and Glacius Zoning is somewhat equal to each other. Glacius gets no free breaker attempt from anywhere on the screen due to Shadow Wind Kick.
Day 1 Jago HK WindKick Tactics gets thrown out of the window due to Shadow Cold Shoulder.
Even though glacius can hold his light Hail and Release it if Jago starts a combo,
Jago and Link into a shadow Windkick which makes the hail go through him, allowing him to continue his combo.
Jago instinct activation makes the MU more in his favor but not enough to change it into 6-4 IMO.




Sabrewulf VS Glacius 4-6

Glacius keeps him out very well and Sabre is at his mercy from full screen. Light Hail keeps Sabre from starting offence. Sabre would have no choice but to
throw out a shadow jumping slash but that's risky. He has to respect wakeup Glacius Shadow Puddle or take a risk and stuff it with Shadow Eclipse or Risk losing a 50/50 Due to a bait attempt. Yes you can simply block it and punish. But your opponent is not going to do it unless you bait it. If glacius reads the bait, it's a throw and the zoning cycle starts all over again. Glacius also gets free counter breaker attempts from Full Screen 100% of the time on Sabre. Sabre is almost not allowed to dash anywhere unless he's point blank in glacius face.
Glacius cannot jump away constantly and use his limbs dude to it being AA'd by Sabre Eclipse. Sabre must take too many risks to get in on glacius making sabre lose this matchup.

Thunder VS Glacius Never Played that match up. But i say 5-5 due to thunders armor?


Orchid VS Glacius 5-5

Glacius cannot get free counter breaker attempts.
Orchid Frame Trap gets stuffed by Shadow Puddle.
Offense and Combos gets nullified when light hail is out.
Using Shadow Blockade Runner during a combo beats his hail
Glacius has to respect her wakeup and She has to respect his. Both normal and shadow.
He keeps her out really well.
Orchid has better damage in combos while Glacius has better options at getting a combo started.

Spinal VS Glacius 6-4

Glacius cannot get a free breaker attempt due to spinals teleport.
Hail can be reacted to and punished by teleport cancel anywhere on the screen.
Correct Spinal usage means Glacius will never be able to use his instinct.
Spinal with skulls makes the Matchup more in his favor.
Spinal horrible normals is what's keeping this MU from being 7-3
Spinal with skulls outzones glacius.
When the instinct is active. He has infinite safe mixups. Probably becomes 7-3
Fireballs + Teleport Cancel into safe special.
 
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JHCRANE 14

GO VOLS!!!
IN B4 Vagrant comes and blows you up for making a MU thread 2 months in the game (who the fuck cares?)

here's my opinion

Sadira is 3-7 in her favor could be worse
Jago is 4-6 in his favor
Thunder is 4-6 in his favor
Sabre is 5-5 (possibly 4-6 in his favor)
Orchid is 5-5 (possibly 4-6 in her favor)

That is all.
Are you saying he has the worst matchups in the game. Because Glacius vs Saberwolf favors Glacius. Saberwolf is fighting an uphill battle in this matchup. Same as Thunder. If they can stay close then it is a match but only sloppy and impatient players will lose this matchup. Glacius is favored in both.

Glacius only real bad matchup is Sadira. Even then a smart player can win that battle. I am not saying Glacius is the best character in the game but he is better than what was posted here (IMO.)
 

Orochi

Scorpion Scrub
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Are you saying he has the worst matchups in the game. Because Glacius vs Saberwolf favors Glacius. Saberwolf is fighting an uphill battle in this matchup. Same as Thunder. If they can stay close then it is a match but only sloppy and impatient players will lose this matchup. Glacius is favored in both.

Glacius only real bad matchup is Sadira. Even then a smart player can win that battle. I am not saying Glacius is the best character in the game but he is better than what was posted here (IMO.)
He most likely does have the worst match-ups. I know it's hard to grasp at first but at a high level you will see, if you play Glacius you will realize this in the future.

Sadira is pretty bad it's really hard to win at a high level vs her. Unless you've played vs Kdd86 with Glacius you won't realize how bad it is lol.

Thunder is not as bad but it's still tough, you only have an advantage full screen, anywhere mid or closer and he can uppercut any hail, shatter, ice lance, jump attack you do. If you're close don't even jump.

Spinal is def bad with skulls, without it's not that bad but one can't be perfect and not get comboed so he's getting skulls at one point or another then it's an uphill battle.

The rest you can consider even though Jago could be argued. He's very efficient at counter zoning Glacius and can punish his hail shatter with a wind kick, not to say he has some of the best frame traps.
 

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
I agree with Orochi, I'm actually getting kinda tired of this Thunder & Sabrewulf struggle vs Glacius bs cause is not the case.
I feel like in the future at the highest level in a game that favors rush-down Glacius will ended up being low tier.
 

FpS__King

Keep it Free.
I agree with Orochi, I'm actually getting kinda tired of this Thunder & Sabrewulf struggle vs Glacius bs cause is not the case.
I feel like in the future at the highest level in a game that favors rush-down Glacius will ended up being low tier.
If so, then what's your rebuttal to my MU on Sabre vs Glacius.
It may be that I'm playing the matchup wrong. I am a Sabre player so I think this is accurate.
 
I think glacius would work well in a game like street fighter. You can kill off characters by poking them from range, sniping them out of the air etc. Normal attacks do more damage. His strategy of keeping opponents grounded would work well in that game since jump happy people can be punished more rewardingly. In this game however there isn't a reason NOT to jump. There are viable anti air solutions and punishes but the damage they yield is pretty terrible. So what happens is people do not respect you or your range. They'd rather eat a few air pokes and anti airs to get in. Jumping is very powerful, jumpin's lead to massive damage and the punishment you recieve for jumping pales in comparison to the reward you get. On hard knockdowns this makes the situation worse for a character like glacius. This game favors agression and pure disrespect. I think to really see whats wrong with glacius and how he doesn't fit well into this game is the sadira matchup. Sadira as a character in general is a whole 'nother can of worms.

The jumping problem: She can jump all over the place and cross you up for days and you cannot punish her well for it. The hard knockdown problem number 1 OFFENSE: If you do knock her down, you cannot pressure her and make her respect your options since you have no tools to do so. The hard knockdown problem number 2 DEFENSE: You don't have any viable tool that she has to respect so she gets to direspect you for free.

This is all IMO of course.
 

Orochi

Scorpion Scrub
Premium Supporter
I think glacius would work well in a game like street fighter. You can kill off characters by poking them from range, sniping them out of the air etc. Normal attacks do more damage. His strategy of keeping opponents grounded would work well in that game since jump happy people can be punished more rewardingly. In this game however there isn't a reason NOT to jump. There are viable anti air solutions and punishes but the damage they yield is pretty terrible. So what happens is people do not respect you or your range. They'd rather eat a few air pokes and anti airs to get in. Jumping is very powerful, jumpin's lead to massive damage and the punishment you recieve for jumping pales in comparison to the reward you get. On hard knockdowns this makes the situation worse for a character like glacius. This game favors agression and pure disrespect. I think to really see whats wrong with glacius and how he doesn't fit well into this game is the sadira matchup. Sadira as a character in general is a whole 'nother can of worms.

The jumping problem: She can jump all over the place and cross you up for days and you cannot punish her well for it. The hard knockdown problem number 1 OFFENSE: If you do knock her down, you cannot pressure her and make her respect your options since you have no tools to do so. The hard knockdown problem number 2 DEFENSE: You don't have any viable tool that she has to respect so she gets to direspect you for free.

This is all IMO of course.
This man makes the smartest posts in these forums, he understands and I agree and endorse him.
 

JHCRANE 14

GO VOLS!!!
I don't know. Very few people I play can punish ice lance-cancel-m cold shoulder. M cold shoulder is -4 on block with pushback. I believe the fastest normal in the game is 4 frame startup.

Point being this....it' s a mix up. Once ice lance hits you have 3 main options.

First condition your opponent to block the m cold shoulder after ice lance; this is not only a pretty safe option but have now made the opponent hesitate to punish ice lance alone.

Second, once they are conditioned to block m cold shoulder after ice lance start using shatter to cancel ice lance. Now that the opponent is ready to block cold shoulder you can surprise the with unblockable shatter. Yes you can jump on reaction to shatter but this is where guessing games really begin.

If the opponent tries to jump the shatter they will get hit by the cold shoulder. Also you can cancel into hail for more zoning and space control.

So that is my gameplan in a nutshell. Cancel ice lance into either hail, m cold shoulder, or shatter and keep the opponent guessing....at least it works for me.

Thoughts?
 

Orochi

Scorpion Scrub
Premium Supporter
I don't know. Very few people I play can punish ice lance-cancel-m cold shoulder. M cold shoulder is -4 on block with pushback. I believe the fastest normal in the game is 4 frame startup.

Point being this....it' s a mix up. Once ice lance hits you have 3 main options.

First condition your opponent to block the m cold shoulder after ice lance; this is not only a pretty safe option but have now made the opponent hesitate to punish ice lance alone.

Second, once they are conditioned to block m cold shoulder after ice lance start using shatter to cancel ice lance. Now that the opponent is ready to block cold shoulder you can surprise the with unblockable shatter. Yes you can jump on reaction to shatter but this is where guessing games really begin.

If the opponent tries to jump the shatter they will get hit by the cold shoulder. Also you can cancel into hail for more zoning and space control.

So that is my gameplan in a nutshell. Cancel ice lance into either hail, m cold shoulder, or shatter and keep the opponent guessing....at least it works for me.

Thoughts?
It's Glacius basic offense in a nutshell. Problem is the block stun on fmp-cold shoulder is so fast if you try to jump back the shatter pre emptively you'll just keep blocking so you just jump shatter on reaction there's no mix up really good players will rarely get caught by this. Then it's a risky offense, if you do anything but cold shoulder you will potentially get punished because the start up of hail and shatter is pretty damn big. It's good at mid-range but a pre-emptive jump and you'll be punished for doing ice lance.

This is why most Glacius players are easy to beat even in the mirror match, they keep following this code, which is simple and effective but it's not gonna work against good players. It becomes predictable then you're read like a book.

I think Glacius real offensive power comes from held hail setups, because of the threat of hail the opponent will keep blocking if you're on the attack and if they manage to hit you a well placed held hail will interrupt and you will often be able to follow up.
 
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JHCRANE 14

GO VOLS!!!
Well ya I pretty much always have hail out. Overall I think this is a very balanced game. Even if Glacius is the worst character in the game he still has a legit shot of winning if you play correctly. Which is more than most fighting games can say.

I main Glacius because he is my favorite character even if he is low tier.
 

joemabob

Noob
wtf hahhahahahahaha hope those are all a joke because glacius is best in game or second behind jago....
i think its 5/5 maybe 4/5 jago 6/4 sadira 5/5 thunder 6/4 orchid 6/4 spinal loses yes he sucks.. 6/4 sabre and ????? on fulgore haven't lost to a fulgore and haven't played a good one yet so can't say what it is. in few months then we will see probably how broke fulgore is haha

glacius only has one bad matchup and that is jago.. and I'm not putting fulgore in play because he's to new to say