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Match-Up Discussion - Cyber Sub-Zero Make Em Block Til They Stop, Official Cyber Sub-Zero Matchup Discussion Thread

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
i coulda swore f2 was a mid....
Nah, Neutral duck if you expect it. My friend who uses Reptile keeps sliding me after. The only mid he has is F4, which has a gap and the 2nd hit is high so you get punished for using it.

Got me hit hard a couple of times. Characters with strong neutrals that can block well are giving me some fits right now. Finding keeping people guessing is the way to success. Slowing down midscreen is a death decision in some MUs lol.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
God this thread is absolute cancer w an even worse title

Who cares about a mid when you have pressure and a 50/50 w pseudo unblockables ?
It's a MU Discussion thread like every character forum has. I noticed there wasn't one for CSZ and created it. Not complaining, just thought it was a funny/catchy thread title. I think the character is awesome. Don't overthink it lol.
 
CSZ's ice ball should be quicker to help out with his bad matchups.

Also make his slide come out in 2 frames cause he's a robot and everything he has should be faster than regular sub zero.
 

Tweedy

Noob
How's that one! :D



F4 sucks ass. Playing Alien you know damn well I can't use it against you lol.
I've actually been using Sektor more than Alien.

It's really good. Punishes a lot of stuff, can blow people up if they don't respect it. It's 10 frames and can hit at the start of the round. It just doesn't go into staggered pressure. Riskier than other mids, doesn't make it necessarily bad.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
:u I'll try it out.

How do you guys feel about the Leatherface MU? I feel very off-tempo in that, more so with CSZ than any other Triborg variation.
Same boat. Two of the characters that gave me more "what should I do now?" moments are Killer/Butcher LF and Shinnok. Was wondering what MUs if any people struggled with, and if anyone knows a gameplan they use in these two. Then I saw no MU thread and made one.

Shinnok worse though. He's really tearing me up. I'm getting beat all over the map atm. Close, medium, and far. Not sure how to get around him just yet. Where as LF as least I can give him super pressure more often, I have nothing for Shinnok.

Most the other MUs though feel good for CSZ, just those two are a headache atm.
 

Tweedy

Noob
try using f4 into ice beam. that seems like a good option.
Classic TYM logic. If there's one problem with a move, lets downplay it using that.

Characters like Kenshi and Quan would kill for a 10 frame mid that hits at the start of the round. It has a lot of uses. Stahp
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
F2 hits mid for Cyrax, Sektor, and Smoke, but it's listed as a high. lol. NRS.
I saw you playing CSZ on your stream I think last night, I know you must be happy! Lol. Look forward to years worth of MU talk man. We're usually always on the same page playing the same characters lol. NRS hooked CSZ up big time this go around!
 

scarsunseen

Safeties disabled. Mod mode engaged.
Moderator
I saw you playing CSZ on your stream I think last night, I know you must be happy! Lol. Look forward to years worth of MU talk man. We're usually always on the same page playing the same characters lol. NRS hooked CSZ up big time this go around!
I'm currently learning everything about Cyrax. CSZ is next on my to-do list :) Both of these bomb robots are dirty af.
 

The Celebrity

Professional Googler
I wasn't a big fan of the Smoke matchup personally. Ice Ball wins trade with smoke bomb big time, so thats awesome.. But he can react to any attempt at zoning with EX teleport. Smoke is also the one character that has 0 problems in the corner against Cyber Sub since EX Phase for him is free get out of jail free card, and I was finding Cyber Sub's NJP will whiff on him if you try to make that read too. What I ended up doing was going for bomb, then grab on reaction to EX phase and put him back into the bomb. It seemed like the one way to keep up corner pressure so I didn't need to go back to a neutral situation where I felt like Smoke won in.

Also, side note, I know Cyber Sub's midscreen neutral may be lacking, but I would not trade his F2 for anything besides Mileena prepatch B12 lol. Cyber Subs F2 is so awesomely dirty for keepaway its amazing. In my opinion it single handedly wins matchups like Bo Rai Cho and Leatherface where they have trouble getting in. Proper bomb, F2, IADK, ice ball, ice ball ex and ex bomb usage makes characters that NEED to get in have so many problems.