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Kenshi vs Shang (pig vs cowboy) 5-5? or 6-4?

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/events/22-fall-championship#2292/2296/1;98084

Can i get as many people to watch this as possible? the whole series

I strongly think this MU is 5-5 but i want to get other people opinion when watching it, what didnt i do ? What didnt he do? What obvious advantages and disadvantages can you see?

Morph is huge and SS is +1 on block as well as goes through tele flurry

I feel shang has advantage at full screen especially w meter and kenshi has to play a jump distance 3/4 distance game

Other than overhead slash on wakeup what did i do wrong? vice versa?
 

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
I think its 5-5 tbh. Kenshi can't use reflect, and I think Shang has the advantage from full screen away. I think once Kenshi knocks Shang down though, Shang's life becomes a whole lot harder because of his subpar wake up game. It's really a battle of spacing.

I think you really didn't make any mistakes Pig, you just were not really familiar with that MU.
 

Prinz

watch?v=a8PEVV6tt14
With more practice I think Cowboy would make a great challenge. But it's too soon to make the numbers. This match though - 10-0 in hype.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I think its 5-5 tbh. Kenshi can't use reflect, and I think Shang has the advantage from full screen away. I think once Kenshi knocks Shang down though, Shang's life becomes a whole lot harder because of his subpar wake up game. It's really a battle of spacing.

I think you really didn't make any mistakes Pig, you just were not really familiar with that MU.
Like some little things cost me big like trying to overhead him w meter = 30% loss and uber kenshi is born (morph)

He can interrupt and stop shang's pressure but idk i Feel like its pretty even played the way cowboy does
 

DownfouralitY

Premium
Premium Supporter
Honestly, WoundCowboy is just an amazing fuckin' Shang. When I played him I knew it wasn't any of that connection bullshit, I got outplayed. I have no idea how he uses Shang like he does, clearly he's a great player.

6-4 most likely imo
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/events/22-fall-championship#2292/2296/1;98084

Can i get as many people to watch this as possible? the whole series

I strongly think this MU is 5-5 but i want to get other people opinion when watching it, what didnt i do ? What didnt he do? What obvious advantages and disadvantages can you see?

Morph is huge and SS is +1 on block as well as goes through tele flurry

I feel shang has advantage at full screen especially w meter and kenshi has to play a jump distance 3/4 distance game

Other than overhead slash on wakeup what did i do wrong? vice versa?
Alright, this MU is definitely in Kenshi's favor. He wins full screen due to the retarded teleflurry animation and Shang puts himself at huge risk by pressuring Kenshi up close; it almost isn't worth it. Shang has to do alot of work to win by playing footsies with SS, D+4, and groundskulls. To get any real damage Shang has to guess right with a jump in or EX GS. It is definitely an uphill battle, although Shang does better than many characters do against Kenshi. 4-6.
 
Alright, this MU is definitely in Kenshi's favor. He wins full screen due to the retarded teleflurry animation and Shang puts himself at huge risk by pressuring Kenshi up close; it almost isn't worth it. Shang has to do alot of work to win by playing footsies with SS, D+4, and groundskulls. To get any real damage Shang has to guess right with a jump in or EX GS. It is definitely an uphill battle, although Shang does better than many characters do against Kenshi. 4-6.
didn't you make a shang mu chart cowboy?
 

LEGEND

YES!
Premium Supporter
you need to play more offensive vs Shang to expose his weaknesses in the MU. 6-4 Kenshi

Btw, F4-GS is interruptible by armor
 

AYSAMO

Noob
Alright, this MU is definitely in Kenshi's favor. He wins full screen due to the retarded teleflurry animation and Shang puts himself at huge risk by pressuring Kenshi up close; it almost isn't worth it. Shang has to do alot of work to win by playing footsies with SS, D+4, and groundskulls. To get any real damage Shang has to guess right with a jump in or EX GS. It is definitely an uphill battle, although Shang does better than many characters do against Kenshi. 4-6.
Agreed, teleflurry can punish fullscreen GS attempts on reaction because of the startup. The match would probably go better if you SS just to be able to trade as Kenshi. Also f4+GS is not a true frame trap, so people that are still respecting this offline are playing the MU wrong. You can interrupt it or just wait for GS to finish, poke out/armor out if Shang tries to press a button or jump.

Even if Shang is just SS'ing and trying to trade with you, you can just play safe until he morphs back. It's still 6-4 Kenshi.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Agreed, teleflurry can punish fullscreen GS attempts on reaction because of the startup. The match would probably go better if you SS just to be able to trade as Kenshi. Also f4+GS is not a true frame trap, so people that are still respecting this offline are playing the MU wrong. You can interrupt it or just wait for GS to finish, poke out/armor out if Shang tries to press a button or jump.

Even if Shang is just SS'ing and trying to trade with you, you can just play safe until he morphs back. It's still 6-4 Kenshi.
can u d3 in between f4 GS?

But f4 ss is a mix up we have to respect especially being a kenshi player who fears the transformation of UBER kenshi
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
Agreed, teleflurry can punish fullscreen GS attempts on reaction because of the startup. The match would probably go better if you SS just to be able to trade as Kenshi. Also f4+GS is not a true frame trap, so people that are still respecting this offline are playing the MU wrong. You can interrupt it or just wait for GS to finish, poke out/armor out if Shang tries to press a button or jump.

Even if Shang is just SS'ing and trying to trade with you, you can just play safe until he morphs back. It's still 6-4 Kenshi.
lol why did you quote me? I said it was 6-4 Kenshi. Also I highly disagree that F+4 GS is not a frame trap. There is a very small window to armor and yes, you can poke out only if you make the right read. It will not work if I poke. If I notice my opponent getting cute with the armor than I can do F+4 SS instead which has advantage is a spacing set up.
 

AYSAMO

Noob
can u d3 in between f4 GS?

But f4 ss is a mix up we have to respect especially being a kenshi player who fears the transformation of UBER kenshi
I remember trying to break down f4 shenanigans with @BW1zz, you can teleport between f4+GS as raiden, I'm not sure if a d3 is possible since you'd need a 6 frame poke and GDLK just frame reaction since you have to let go of block. And yea, fully forgot about f4+SS.. Yea that'll make you respect it I guess lol. Can't watch the match for some reason otherwise would've seen him doing that.

WoundCowboy easier to reply if I quote lol