I'm Having A Character Crisis! HELP!

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  1. Briggs8417

    Briggs8417 Salt Proprietor of TYM

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    If zoning is something you struggle with, Manta has nothing to do with that shit. He completely stops fireballs as a thing...in most MU's anyway. He's a fun character too.
     
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  2. JBeezYBabY

    JBeezYBabY Mr. Righteous

    So he DOES have stomps that hit High and Low !?QUESTION MARK?! That's fuckin' gansterly RETARDLY! But gangster non-theless if i WAS playing as him. Looks like I'm uppercutting the shit outta him everytime OOOOR better yet, see if i can combo a b3 right after. It might run me 2 bars for the conversion, but the damage will be hella worth it!

    Bladam....Hmmmmm....*thinks*....is that Blue Beatle? Damn im clueless....But you guys are making me feel better already :)
     
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  3. Briggs8417

    Briggs8417 Salt Proprietor of TYM

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    No stomp itself is just a low, you would just have to worries about jumping normal into stomp for overheads. like j3 into stomp would hit OH low.
     
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  4. JBeezYBabY

    JBeezYBabY Mr. Righteous

    OOOOOOOOOO! WTF!? REALLY!? So blocking high is all bad against air stomps, unless he jump attacks FIRST then convert into the stomp as a mixup? WOW! I think I'm starting to understand now
     
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  5. Briggs8417

    Briggs8417 Salt Proprietor of TYM

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    Yup, that's how it works. :)
     
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  6. The chosen puddle

    The chosen puddle UPRISE ..... THERE IS ONLY GRODD

    Grodd cures all
     
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  7. EntropicByDesign

    EntropicByDesign Confused and afraid.

    Yeah. Stomp is a low, thats the mix. DS can just throw out a j3 or whatever that you have to block standing, drop the stomp, which hits low, and you have to block crouching.

    That tells me that unfavorable MUs aren't the issue here at all, so I ABSOLUTELY wouldnt worry about switching off your main.. The issue is you not understanding what's hitting you and having to lab it up a little more and dig in to what's going on a little more. You wont be beating any remotely competent Darkseid players just by swapping to a MU he loses if you don't understand DS in the first place. I DO NOT mean this in a shitty way, text loses the context given by speech, and what I'm saying can sound prickish, but I sincerely don't mean it that way.

    You're just running in to characters you don't know how to deal with because you don't understand them.. You dont need a new main you just need to level up your lab work and character research and MU grinding.

    I really dont think that MUs mean as much as people think they do right now.. I swear its a pattern with fighting games, everyone starts out die-harding one character, then picks up a small secondary, then it turns in to a counterpick meta, then settles back in to the main and secondary setup, then ends up in back to the single character it did at the start - and Im serious here. I watch EVERY FG that comes out and I shit you not, I see this pattern repeat in most of them. Or something like it. - but anyway - The meta right now is counterpicking. There's this pervading idea that you have to pick in to a 5/5 or better MU and that's just how this game 'works' but I think thats PARTIALLY a bill. There are a few, and its really very very few, MUs that are UGLY. Unplayably ugly.. but we are talking like, five or so. The rest just need to be explored. I know, I know, its been this long, how can they not be explored yet? Well, take the Cheetah/Batman MU, some of the best Cheetah players around, just a few weeks/a monthish ago were saying it was just not playable. 7-3, I heard some 8-2s tossed around, just, TERRIBLE... Now? Even, and possibly advantage Cheetah. Capt Cold v Catwoman was supposed to be a mop in Cold's favor, but its getting worked out, and its closer and closer to even. Sonic wins by counterpicking, and I think people just assume that what's right for him is just.. "right".

    I really think, if you enjoy Harley, just grind your bad MUs. I know sometimes really awful MUs make things unfun, but if you grind them out enough to even them up, at least in your head, they tend to turn around. Not always of course, but usually.
     
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  8. Flamelurkr

    Flamelurkr Noob

    Lol my b, black Adam
     
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  9. JBeezYBabY

    JBeezYBabY Mr. Righteous

    @EntropicByDesign You are absolutely right...Thank you for that. I will train harder ;) Be my sensei!?

    Noted and NOTED :)
     
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  10. EntropicByDesign

    EntropicByDesign Confused and afraid.


    No one, and I mean NO ONE should learn from me. I am the worst player on this forum and I'm not saying that ironically, I'm not kidding, or being modest, or fishing for ego boosts.. I am legit the worst player here. But I have an enormous capacity to retain shit I read/see, so I tend to be reasonably knowledgeable, and despite my inability to *play* the game, I understand it (or consider myself to understand it anyway) on a decent enough level to feel confident enough to give certain kinds of mild advice.. but god help me, if I ever tried to teach someone. It'd be like a guy that was born without arms trying to teach someone to clap.
     
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  11. JBeezYBabY

    JBeezYBabY Mr. Righteous

    How Ironic I actually did learn something from you. It was only common knowledge of an opponent, but i didn't know that. You are a better asset than what you think you're, sir :)
     
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  12. Harley has a lot of bad matchups it's true but none of them are unwinnable... except aquaman but he's rare now anyway. it feels so good when you beat that supergirl, Superman, or Green Arrow in ranked. so satisfying. If you need pointers on those I can give you some, and maybe I'll stop ducking you for real life and get you some games lol.

    also to supplement Harley I use Starfire. She just gets real boring real fast.
     
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  13. JBeezYBabY

    JBeezYBabY Mr. Righteous

    True....maybe that's why im having a character crisis is because although, i do love Harley, she does get boring especially when ya LOSE time after time. But hey, thats the name of the game.

    I shall give Starfire another shot because she is a good counter pick. However, i really liked playing as Dr Fate. I guess I shall go with my gut instinct.

    BTW and YES we need a damn practice session Mista Snack Attack! You seem hella fun to play against ;)
     
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  14. BurdaA

    BurdaA Catch these beams

    I’ve just picked up Dr Fate and having hella fun, he’s got awesome depth. Love the dialogue in his intros too, which now that I think about it is important to me when choosing a character. Hour 0 main was darkseid, but came to main brainiac instead. Some awesome burns dished out in their intros. Oopsies, bit of a tangent....

    TLDR Fate would be a good choice if you like his style. Pretty decent at entry level (zone + f2db2 baby ) but also enough depth to keep you learning and overcoming those weaker matchups. I feel like he’s 5/5 with both both darkseid and supergirl (think those were the 2 you mentioned), not sure what consensus is. He struggles against dead shot though.
     
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  15. Levaranoia

    Levaranoia War God

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    I miss my boy Shazam
     
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  16. JBeezYBabY

    JBeezYBabY Mr. Righteous

    Fate is definitely one im going to pick back on today! Im actually fired up now! SHIIIIT!

    Y'all need to add me por favor! PSN - JBeezYBabY1

    EDIT I really want to upload my footage to get some critiques. Is there any way i can do on this forum from my PS4 ?Question mark?
     
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  17. BurdaA

    BurdaA Catch these beams

    Nice!! I’d be happy to try and help, caveats though; I’m trash, I’m EU, no mic right now...

    Initial advice; hit the lab for basics (moves, combos, punishes, cancel properties, frames etc), make sure your anti-airs are on point, people love to jump at Fate (at first...), but at certain ranges b2 is pretty much a guaranteed free combo, learn these ranges (it works against darkseid’s teleport if no parademon).

    Also, don’t be antsy... against plenty of the cast Fate is happy at full screen. Don’t hang yourself by rushing in when you don’t have to. I tend to go ham when I have a life-lead and plenty of resources, probably shouldn’t though....

    Every Fate seems to have their own strategy. I’m working on my own right now, but I’d definitely recommend watching some omgxbdon footage.

    Go forth, lord of order!
     
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  18. JBeezYBabY

    JBeezYBabY Mr. Righteous

    Although Fate is fun....i got my ass kicked lol Ok....WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS....I mostly played against Blue Beatle which I rarely play at all so he had the flight advantage on me shooting projectiles.

    I actually won a couple by just attacking by winning the air game doing jump 3 and jump 2. Apparently, jump 2 works way better to challenge an air2air attack (Yes im still getting the terminology lol)

    THEN, i went back to my Harley Queen and won 2 ranked sets. 1 against another Harley (who gave up on the third round and THAT felt hella good!) and another against Black Canary.
     
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  19. hatyr

    hatyr tease out the impurities

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  20. EntropicByDesign

    EntropicByDesign Confused and afraid.

    Yeah, we have quite a few people wanting to be added. I need to update the list in a bit.. I should probably just go ahead and do it.
     
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