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How to Read, Understand and Calculate Frame Data in MKX

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
If you're new into the world of advancing gaming, this might be a good way to start, also if everyone is to start fresh in MKX with no hidden or unfair advantage, this is something that everyone should know so they can know what to look for when they get their hands in the game.

Be wary that frame data is not 100% correct at this point in the game, but that doesn't mean that the principle will not apply after the day 1 patch, on the contrary it will, more so when the data get corrected.

Of course top players will take a huge advantage over this, but will help new guys to understand what's going on before start crying to nerf something.

Without further delays, MKX runs at 60 frames per second, meaning that at ever 1 second in real time, 60 frames will run in the game.

State 0, or Neutral state = Its a technical term in M.U.G.E.N or fighting games to define all stances from a fighting game, during the state 0 the character is free from any draw backs, it means the Player has the control over the character at that exact moment and he can block, attack move at any moment. So when the fight word fades, both characters starts at State 0.


This is what you will see on the frame data screen:


The MKX only gives you 6 options of Frame Data statistics so before i go any further into this i will explain first what each one of this statistic means, then i will explain something else that MK9 veterans might have noticed at this point.

Start-Up: Means the time (in frames), the first active frame from an executed move (in other words the time it takes for the opponent to get hit by your normal, or special move instants after your press the button) takes to activate.
  • In MKX, the fastest normals are 5 frames startup, not 6 like in MK9
Active: It means the time that move will remain active until it fades or hits anything that can be hit by it. (in other words, by this time you can't touch that move until the active frames fades, but armored moves will still beat regular active frames)
  • In MKX normals remain active from 1 to 13 depending of how powerfull they are, generally normals with longer active frames are also really unsafe on block or whiff.
Recover: Its the time a normal special, even throws will take to return to the state 0, also known as the stance mode, so for this period of time that a move is recovering from being used, the one recovering can't block, or cancel it.
  • In MKX moves on whiff have a good chunk of recovery frames, be aware of what you put in the screen.
Block advantage: Block advantage defines the time the defender has to stay on a blockstun, block advantage goes two ways, it can either be positive (+) which is advantage for the attacker, or it can be negative (-) which means advantage to the defender.
  • So if P1 string is -10 on block, it means that P1 is vulnerable for 10 frames at the instant his blockstun fades away, in this period of time P2 can input a 9f moves or lower to catch P1 before he has time to recover from this attack. This action is called Punish.
  • In MKX, there is a new propriety that allows any character to block on the last negative frame, so startup attacking frames that matches the same number of blockstun won't punish it, so 10f moves won't punish -10f of disadvantage.
Hit Advantage: It the time P2 will take to return to the state 0 after getting hit.
Cancel: Its the advantage given to the attacker when he cancels his move with another move.

Now that we got all this out of the way let me explain this into a more deeper way.

Some of you may or not have noticed that MKX doesn't offer Cancel advantage on Hit and Cancel advantage on block, but those are crucial if you want to understand the frametraps and links your opponent can or cannot do to you, that its not weird, it means that now you have to do some equations to find out cancel on hit and cancel on block.

So how do you do that?

Startup + active + recovery - Cancel
This will give you the correct cancel that you can either sum it up to your hit stun, or block stun to have the correct cancel advantage. @huh
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Cancel advantage is one of the most important datas in the game, it can tell you if P1 strings is indeed a blockstring or just a frame trap.

So what is a blockstring?
Blockstring is when a move canceled into another move doesn't leave any gap between the cancel and startup frames, forcing you to block the whole thing during the process.

How to find out if my opponent is doing a blockstring on me?

The frame data for the combo section corresponds to each hit in the combo. It was also like this in Injustice.

For example, Scorpion 123 string will initially be broken down into 12, and then it'll have 123 under it.

For the 12 string, it'll say 6f startup, and is referring to the 2. For the 123 string it'll say 8f startup, and is referring to the 3.

If you go on Injustice and look up Nightwing's 1F2 string, it'll say 15f startup. This is referring to the F2 in the string. Standing 1 is 11f startup so the whole string has a startup of 26f. @HeroesNZ

In MKX almost all strings and normals can be canceled, and there are some that can't be canceled, lets look at the new Scorpion gravedigger (1,2,3) dial string:



It used to be a 2 hits string (2, 1+2), now its a 3 hits string in MKX:
Each one of part of this string has startup, active frames, recovery, block adv, hit adv and cancel adv. You want to find out if there is a gap on this string or if its a true blockstring, this is how you do it:

Startup + Active + Recovery - Cancel
Then you sum the result with the blockstun and compare with the next attack startup in line.

The same principle can be applied into normals or strings canceled into specials or run cancels, if you know how long it takes to start and cancel a run, or special, and their next attack in line, you will be able to determinate the blockstun find the gap and defend yourself accordingly.

Start MKX big, like an educated player.
 
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Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
i dont have the game yet can you cancel block strings into dash or Run? meaning 1,2,3 xx dash or run?
 

Prinz

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Something to consider
start-up - vulnerable frames until first active frame (MK9 Kung Lao's spin - 5 frames)
execution - vulnerable frames + first active frame (MK9 Kung Lao's spin - 6 frames)
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Just one thing:
You say cancel - block adv = blockstun
I think its cancel + block adv = blockstun
In your second example: 16 cancel adv +(-10) block adv = 6 , if I use your formula it will be 16 -(-10)= 26
Remember: -(-)= + ....... and +(-)= -
Good stuff.

Probably best to say Cancel + Block/Hit for the cancel advantage, because you have it listed as subtracting lol. That would make the cancel advantage less (or more, depending on what the block/hit advantage is.
Yes, damn numbers, they always tricked me in to something, i was feeling that something was off there, just wasn't sure what was, i will repair that right away.
 

ZeZe

The smart stuff!
Yep most helpful. Liked alot.

The only thing that is still puzzling me is skipping FP, BP, FK, LK over 1, 2, 3, 4 which can be configured differently on pads. I never know if by 4 someone means LK or something else.
 
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A F0xy Grampa

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Yep most helpful. Liked alot.

The only thing that is still puzzling me is skipping FP, BP, FK, LK over 1, 2, 3, 4 which can be configured differently on pads. I never know if by 4 someone means LK or something else.
1 - FP
2 - BP
3 - FK
4 - BK

The reason we use 1 2 3 4 is so that its a universal language, regardless of button configuration or pad/stick of choice. It's sorta like tekken in that each button counts for 1 limb.

So 4 will always mean BK, it doesn't matter what button it's mapped to on your pad/stick.
 

The_REAL_xVAPORx

smoke reset bot
using scorpions standing 1 as an example, if it has an 8 frame startup why would the startup on his 123 string say something different? shouldn't it be the same startup as his standing 1?
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
using scorpions standing 1 as an example, if it has an 8 frame startup why would the startup on his 123 string say something different? shouldn't it be the same startup as his standing 1?
Its the same its not different, i broke down the string in 3 parts so you can see the block advantage and cancel advantage on each stage the string is happening, gravedigger is basically the last hit, or the 3rd hit of the 1, 2, 3 string, meaning its not a shoulder tackle anymore its a knee now.

Also that is why as i advanced i colored the already passed stages with this color.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
Wonderful job, I never knew how to use cancel advantage - the only thing I knew was really seeing if something is punishable from the startup and block advantage. Thanks Eddie! :)
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
i dont have the game yet can you cancel block strings into dash or Run? meaning 1,2,3 xx dash or run?
Yeah, so that every character has NDCs :DOGE
Not every string can be canceled into with a run, but yes there are NDC with the run mechanic. This is how you will be able to have continuous pressure.

The downside is that you can only run cancel 3 times before you exhaust your stamina and that can be VERY risky. Additionally backdashes have invincibiliy, so you risk being backdashed and blown up.

Hope that helps.
 

The_REAL_xVAPORx

smoke reset bot
Its the same its not different, i broke down the string in 3 parts so you can see the block advantage and cancel advantage on each stage the string is happening, gravedigger is basically the last hit, or the 3rd hit of the 1, 2, 3 string, meaning its not a shoulder tackle anymore its a knee now.

Also that is why as i advanced i colored the already passed stages with this color.
im not basing this off of what you said, im basing this off of the in game frame data. if you pulled up his 123 string in the menu, it will show a much slower startup than 8 frames, Ive seen this with many characters so far and I saw it with IGAU
 

HeroesNZ

Baconlord's Billionaire Sugar Daddy
im not basing this off of what you said, im basing this off of the in game frame data. if you pulled up his 123 string in the menu, it will show a much slower startup than 8 frames, Ive seen this with many characters so far and I saw it with IGAU
The frame data for the combo section corresponds to each hit in the combo. It was also like this in Injustice.

For example, Scorpion 123 string will initially be broken down into 12, and then it'll have 123 under it.

For the 12 string, it'll say 6f startup, and is referring to the 2. For the 123 string it'll say 8f startup, and is referring to the 3.

If you go on Injustice and look up Nightwing's 1F2 string, it'll say 15f startup. This is referring to the F2 in the string. Standing 1 is 11f startup so the whole string has a startup of 26f.