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xKhaoTik

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There is absolutely no way Kitana goes even with HQT

He outzones her
Has better pressure
Has better neutral
Smart disk really hurts her since she can't reflect it and stops float stuff
She needs meter for the match. He doesn't
Very little chance of a trade in a projectile war and if there is a trade, he wins it
Ex laser > any of her armor


Mournful would probably be the best variation and even then, that match is still hard. Literally every Kitana will tell you she loses this match. Probably her worst
 
1He outzones her
2 he actually rules the neutral with back 22 into laser pressure.
3 he can pressure without meter better. With the block advantage of his laser cancels and his decent high low game he is more formidable than kit up close.
4 kit needs meter to really mount any decent offense. It's different to get in this matchup due to being out zoned.
5 many of predators moves low profile ex db 2 making it a risk to use due to it's whiff recovery.
6 due to the little recovery on said lasers you usually can't trade with ex lift for any decent damage.
7 difficult to reflect anything. Move is almost useless in this match up
8 ex lasers put a stop to using any version of ex square wave to get in.
9 this is something the entire kitana community agrees on.
10 in my experience playing you liu kang has it much easier than kitana and he is listed as a 6-4.
11 smart disk cannot be reflected
12 smart disk puts a stop to the float to bait an anti air strategy.
Predator doesn't beat every character he outzones. He can out zone most of the cast. B22 in the neutral is a gimmick, duck the first hit and punish for a full combo with 111. You mention a bunch of points about zoning and the discs stop her but like I said, your not supposed to zone in this matchup unless your playing Mournful. You mention the entire Kitana community but that's false because the top Kitana's aren't on TYM. As far as I know the only way to get past ex db2 cancels is to block the db2 ducking and then back dash. If there's more options around it let me know. I run this matchup regularly vs Atai and @Deoxys243 . I'll post footage next time I play them. They play the matchup how its supposed to be played.
 
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gam224

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Predator doesn't beat every character he outzones. He can out zone most of the cast. B22 in the neutral is a gimmick, duck the first hit and punish for a full combo with 111. You mention a bunch of points about zoning and the discs stop her but like I said, your not supposed to zone in this matchup unless your playing Mournful. You mention the entire Kitana community but that's false because the top Kitana's aren't on TYM. As far as I know the only way to get past ex db2 cancels is to block the db2 ducking and then back dash. If there's more options around it let me know. I run this matchup regularly vs Atai and @Deoxys243 . I'll post footage next time I play them. They play the matchup how its supposed to be played.
I never said she can't win match ups that she doesn't win the zoning war in. You have a point about back 22 in the neutral but he still has a great NJP that can help as well as his down 4 which is just as fast as kit's down 1 with greater range. Anything outside that is zoning range which predator wins. Most of her zoning also functions as anti zoning. Ex lift, lift, ex ass , and float/ jump gimmicks are her ways of getting in. Predator shuts Dow both lifts with lasers, ex ass with ex lasers (also if it does land it has poor hit advantage). All forms of jumping can be stopped by NJP or smart disk. The top kitanas are on TYM as I recall both stargazer and Atai have top 8 placing at majors and both are on TYM. The only top kitana who is not is dragon. When I get home I will demonstrate how to punish up fans. The goal of using float cancels mid screen is to drive predator into the corner. Once he is in you can mix but if he reverses it on you (not a difficult task) he is more deadly than you in the corner having full combos off his overhead low mixups. He is also more deadly than you mid screen with his mix ups getting full combos off his high lows and pressure comparable to float cancels but he gets to spend stamina.
Basically
Footsies he wins
Zoning he wins
Mix ups he wins
Corner he wins
The only thing he does not do better in this matchup is meterless damage but he is pretty safe anyway
 

JGillette

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I think the matchup with tanya would be 6-4 in tanyas favor. Would you explain your tanya matchup thoughts please?
 
Pyromancer and DN but it would be awesome if you could explain as a whole
HQT's disc and zoning gives dn some trouble but her mixups are strong when she gets in. Pyro seems even too. The zoning war is even and her pressure isn't as strong as HQT's. I played this with revet and he switched to Dn after a few games. Idk Tanya that well so its hard to explain but we can play if you're on psn.
 

JGillette

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HQT's disc and zoning gives dn some trouble but her mixups are strong when she gets in. Pyro seems even too. The zoning war is even and her pressure isn't as strong as HQT's. I played this with revet and he switched to Dn after a few games. Idk Tanya that well so its hard to explain but we can play if you're on psn.
I would like to, but I do not have an US copy, sorry
 

ismael4790

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Not really? Leatherface vs HQT is a 7-3. Johnny vs HQT is a 7-3. GM vs Jax, is a 7-3. This if anything is a 6-4, you're being over dramatic.
Gm vs Jax is worse than 7-3 now. It probably even was worse pre october too.

Sadly, after last patch, there are still 7-3s and 8-2s out there. Variation system was too hard to balance.
 

CrazyFingers

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Gm vs Jax is worse than 7-3 now. It probably even was worse pre october too.

Sadly, after last patch, there are still 7-3s and 8-2s out there. Variation system was too hard to balance.
There are a significantly smaller amount of 7-3's though but the variation system is whack.
 

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1He outzones her
2 he actually rules the neutral with back 22 into laser pressure.
3 he can pressure without meter better. With the block advantage of his laser cancels and his decent high low game he is more formidable than kit up close.
4 kit needs meter to really mount any decent offense. It's different to get in this matchup due to being out zoned.
5 many of predators moves low profile ex db 2 making it a risk to use due to it's whiff recovery.
6 due to the little recovery on said lasers you usually can't trade with ex lift for any decent damage.
7 difficult to reflect anything. Move is almost useless in this match up
8 ex lasers put a stop to using any version of ex square wave to get in.
9 this is something the entire kitana community agrees on.
10 in my experience playing you liu kang has it much easier than kitana and he is listed as a 6-4.
11 smart disk cannot be reflected
12 smart disk puts a stop to the float to bait an anti air strategy.
HQT most likely beats Royal Storm and Assassin but goes 5-5 with Mournful. So if you're talking about the best variation of the character for the matchup, 5-5
 

xKhaoTik

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I think HQT is Kitanas worst matchup, I find it very hard. Who else do you think gives Assassin Kitana such a bad time?
I think it's her worst also but I wouldn't say 7-3. She can compete but he definitely has the advantage. There is no even play field at all
 

CrazyFingers

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Shinnok doesn't beat Kitana at all nor does mileena. Assassin is actually the best choice against smoke as well. Sektor is annoying tho
I can see Assassin doing fine against smoke but I feel like Shinnok and Mileena beat her in the neutral and Impostor getting a free vortex doesn't help the MU either.
 

xKhaoTik

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I can see Assassin doing fine against smoke but I feel like Shinnok and Mileena beat her in the neutral and Impostor getting a free vortex doesn't help the MU either.
How does he get a free vortex?

I'm not saying she beats him but she does just fine. She punishes hells sparks better than most of the cast, even if he MBs it, fans make it hard for him to teleport since he has to be airborne to do it and even if he does get one, she recovers quick enough to block or even punish it, her pressure is better than his, she does way more damage.

Of course he wins the neutral tho. It's shinnok lol. His d4 is pretty annoying too and his should charge is a good thing against the Zoning. Even tho his teleport isn't as good against her, it's still a threat.

They both have the tools to deal with each other and I agree that this is the variation to use against her. I just don't think she loses.



Kitana did fine against mileena pre patch and with mileena getting nerfed and Kitana getting buffed, it just helped her better in the MU. Mileena still has the better neutral and spacing, but Kitana still has the same exact tools she had pre patch, and they are even better now
 
Impostor Shinnok, Sektor, Smoke, Mileena.
I agree on Sektor, but Mileena, Shinnok and Smoke are 5/5, I got plenty of exp in this 3 matchups, parry does wonders vs smoke, f22 does wonders vs Shinnok and mileena I would say she beats kitana online but offline, I got plenty of exp vs a very good mileena player, and I can work around her stuff.
 

CrazyFingers

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How does he get a free vortex?

I'm not saying she beats him but she does just fine. She punishes hells sparks better than most of the cast, even if he MBs it, fans make it hard for him to teleport since he has to be airborne to do it and even if he does get one, she recovers quick enough to block or even punish it, her pressure is better than his, she does way more damage.

Of course he wins the neutral tho. It's shinnok lol. His d4 is pretty annoying too and his should charge is a good thing against the Zoning. Even tho his teleport isn't as good against her, it's still a threat.

They both have the tools to deal with each other and I agree that this is the variation to use against her. I just don't think she loses.



Kitana did fine against mileena pre patch and with mileena getting nerfed and Kitana getting buffed, it just helped her better in the MU. Mileena still has the better neutral and spacing, but Kitana still has the same exact tools she had pre patch, and they are even better now
He gets a free vortex because he gets fan lift as his mimcry special from her. Makes it so he can loop dem mixes.
 
True. If you get stuck in the corner as HQT it's ggs. Anywhere else on the screen Sub has trouble.
just wake up xray dude. This is the matchup you shouldn't spend bars for any combo, you should hit confirm all PCC into F12U2 for full combo so you always have 3 bars available
I think this matchup is even on stages with jump out interactables