What jank specifically? Are there whiffing issues?
Right, I see what you're asking.
There is B3
There is B343
There is B3434
But there is no B34, you have to literally mash out the B343 for it to come out.
There are two problems with this, a major and a minor issue.
The main issue here is not that you have to mash B343 but rather that after a poke, and often even after a special, mashing out b343 nets you a sweep rather than the string itself which can blow you the fuck up hardcore if it happens.
The minor issue is that the cancel advantage is off and unless you input your special during B34 it won't come out, because B343's 3 is busted on cancels somehow. So not only do you have to mash out a string that will not always come out properly after a poke but you also have to input the special which makes staggers and cancels especially stressful to get going.
I don't see anything wrong with a fast mid that is easily hitconfirmable and +5 having a gap you need to play around. Liu's f43u3 is very similar in this regard. Honestly, it's how I open people up most with him. This weakness, can actually be a strength because it forces people to act. Would you feel differently about the gap if bf2 launched midscreen as a high risk/high reward method of closing that gap?
The mid is not horribly fast, Liu's F4 is i9 while Jade's B3 is i11 and loses to F4 without error because they have the same exact range.
The +5 part is flawless blockable even online, hence my issue with the gap. Kabal has no gaps and more reward for the same range.
EDIT: Forgot to answer your question.
I'd rather have BF2 safe on block as a proper cancel with the meterburn making it + on block and deal slightly more damage, personally.
From the perspective of a D'vorah main,
I respect you for sticking with your bugged character. Pun totally intended. Don't let it bug you.
Jade's a character that's designed correctly, while her numbers are wrong.
Absolutely correct. That's why I made this thread.
She seems like a functional character with poor risk reward.
Bottom of my opening post.
I'm not trying to say that my opinion is better than yours,
I know, you're playing a character that's worse than mine and it's difficult for you to see how a character so much better has issues. It's normal. I feel sort of the same way when I see Lao buff requests. But then I remind myself that all but the Brokentier have heavy issues they need dealt with.
but you act like she's got nothing to her but problems.
You misunderstand. This is not the "Everything that's right about Jade" thread.
I could make a thread that shows appreciation for what's good about her, but this thread is here to raise awareness to her glaring issues such as the bad numbers you agree she has. 56 frames to get a move out is straight up bad.
Her F2 is the worst normal in the game.
Her BF2 being -13 makes no sense.
The foundation is still there, just got to put out the kitchen fire. In short, she seems mid tier, maybe low mid.
Let's not go into tier nonsense. Just please understand that I'm not calling her a potato. I'm calling out problems.
I play her daily.
I think she deserves a viable and functional launcher that can properly punish because, well, every character does.
Fixed. F2 is a launcher and it leads to over 20% on better days. It's the added criteria I corrected that she could very well benefit from.
I don't care if the combo does 19%,
We do care if it does because she can punish for 14% right now.
30% is the bare minimum for a punish in this game as damage goes right now.
12f startup on a parry is just god awful, and hopefully the flawless block issues will be addressed too.
The launcher is a real flustercluck, man. I don't even.
If the cancels had been actually good, I'd have been all over Jade, honestly. I like a lot of what she has, I'm just a more rushdown player than her variations currently support.
I felt the same way. I find zoning and running away an extremely inefficient way to play in a game of teleports and F4s.
