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DevilApes
How is stunt double hard?
How is stunt double hard?
How common a character is means nothing. Hellfire was very common when he was S-Tier and his execution is one of the hardest in the game. And that was in the opening month or two. This far into a games lifespan, a character as strong as Tempest could be the hardest character in the game to play and he'd still be seen everywhere. Not saying he is however. But watch a good Tempest main like f0xy play, 2 frame links all over the shop, unlocking the real damage the character has, this alone excludes him from the discussion of easiest characters.
You make good points but I think your missing the point of the OP. It's about easiest characters to pick up and characters with the steepest learning curves. Yes you can do tight connections for a bit of extra damage when your god tier like foxy but the poster didn't ask about who had the tightest execution for an extra couple of percent. But when you look at top 5 players your going to see extraordinary stuff like that. Every pro has a pocket Lao. Many casuals play lao. Not because he's just so good they have to play him but because he is strong matchups wise. Casuals ofcourse not to the highest degree but enough to be above average because he is a naturally very powerful character. Is he easy to pick up? Yes. Deny that all you want but I believe that completely. He doesn't need mind games. He just needs to be very repetitive and armor responses. Not at the top tier but average player status. He has some of the best tools and they aren't difficult to perform.
I disagree, there is very few difficult things in this game that I can't find a work around for at the cost of a couple of percent. Asking which characters have the hardest learning curve suggests fleshing them all the way out, the question you are answering is who is the lowest at the beginning of the curve. I get what you are saying, Lao is one of the easiest characters to win with - but that's simply because the character is broken 6 ways to sunday, not because he's any easier on execution. His execution is definitely harder than some others.
I mean you could say the exact same thing for Laos corner juggles, and grandmasters corner juggles are most definitely harder, but you put both of them in the easiest and put SD in the hardest, your logic is inconsistent to say the least
Understanding the tech behind making the characters work in both combos and the meta were the biggest things for me. Now, I know my understanding of the tech and meta is lacking when compared to the veterans here, but what I have found is pretty easy to do once you understand how to do it. So, once someone understands all (or most of the character) tech, how easy a character is relies almost exclusively on the meta.
I think I took to long to make my point.
Kitana isn't easy to use..Oh Yeah... and for me
Hardest
1 Cassie
2 Kotal Kahn
3 D' Vorah
4 Tanya (only because I am learning now)
Easiest
1 Raiden
2 Liu Kang
3 Kano
4 Erron Black
5 Kitana (though I'm used to playing her every game)
Note that the thread is six months old and a lot has changed and the list I made is well outdated/obsolete
None of your points give any reason for why he's "easiest". Tanya is among the easiest characters in the game, while Kung Lao is without a doubt the most difficult non-cancel character to use.
what makes him that hard
His execution overall. Even his basic combos have varying links, his best string, 112124, requires sliding or other tactics, while other strings just require moderately fast pressing of the buttons. If you want max damage you have to hit varying 2 frame links.
That's a really vague answer, other than the 44 links there is nothing there that I couldn't say applies to other characters. I do play Lao, nothing he has is as hard as Instaair guns from Cassie, B2 clone freezes on females as Sub, iAFB combos from Liu, etc. I'm not saying he's the easiest in the game because he's definitely not, but hardest non-cancel character is a massive overstatement and to call it "undoubtable" is just incorrect, I think many many ppl would find that a highly doubtable statement thinking Lao is the hardest character to play
Unfortunately our evidence is tangible, and with that he is the hardest non-cancel character. Pointing out an instant air mechanic, which is one thing that does not vary, or a combo that's not even hard(Sub Zero combos on females? lol).
As I've said, I've "tried" the character in fact I have more time with him than any other character if we include all 3 variations. I didn't say he's brain dead, I didn't say he's super easy, I just said that calling him the hardest non cancel character is a pretty contestable statement. I don't understand what you mean by instaair being a mechanic that doesn't vary... A I don't see how this is the case and B I don't see how it's relevant to things being harder or not? And fact is, you simply haven't tried GMs B2 B2 1,1 b12 freeze BnB on females because not only is the link equal in difficulty to 44 hat links, the timing is also relevant to all your prior hits affecting the juggle. I suggest you take some of your own advice and maybe broaden your horizons a little
...because there is no underlying tech behind Bojutsu combos. You just do them in the correct order and they come out.
Character tech has escaped you. There are little tricks that you have to learn to make them work. With Quan Chi, its about getting up to speed. With other characters like Kotal Khan, its about letting the controller go neutral at certain times. Other characters have frame specific cancels or run combos, like Liu Kang, that you have to be able to pull off to access his real meta.
Kotal execution wasn't simplistic for me until I learned to go neutral between F1's. Even after that, there's a big difference between the un-upped 31-33's everyone does and the un-upped 42-54's that the dedicated Kotal players are doing. Once you get past that, his meta isn't all that simple at all. You gotta get in.