Question - Grandmaster Deleted Account.

[Zerodegreez]

Deleted Account.

 

[SM StarGazer]

Remove variation from game. Burn it with Dragon's Fire. Replace with Spawn.

 

[youthinkyoubadyouaintbad]

i would like d4xxclone be safe on block and also fix the hitboxes so that he can do his high damage (male) shatter combos on female characters.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Grandmaster is good but Sub as a whole desperately needs faster pokes. I voted fine but I would like a fast d1 tho.

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

He's fine as is imo. Only thing he needs is faster pokes but he can still do good even without them.

 

[WarlordRenegade]

Fix the hitbox issues so his combos/strings work on all characters. Other than that the most he needs is a slightly faster D1 so he can contest all the retarded block strings and cancels in the game

 

[Dankster Morgan]

They aren't gonna fix hit boxes guys. There are way more layers to that than simply a Sub-Zero issue.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Nerf him (GM) out the game. Kitana doesn't deserve such punishment

 

[Tweedy]

I would say that he's fine with a 9 frame D1, but they did give Takeda a 7 D1, even with the nerfs to F/T's overhead toss in the corner and Liu Kang's MB bicycle kick.

If Takeda needed it at that point, then I think everyone needs.

 

[tafka Djinn]

I agree with Dankster, he works in GM as it is, but outside he needs some better pokes. Though because GM is the main consideration with Subzy, I voted leave him be.

 

[WarlordRenegade]

If they give one character a 7 frame d1 then give it to all the characters. That would eliminate at least some of the shenanigans.

 

[DDutchguy]

@M.D.

 

[Toodrunk2combo]

I think having a quicker overhead would help. B2 is slow and I never use it unless it's during a combo with cryo.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Before they adjust Grandmaster, I would SERIOUSLY want them to address Cryomancer and especially Unbreakable first.

 

[DDutchguy]

I think having a quicker overhead would help. B2 is slow and I never use it unless it's during a combo with cryo.

Isn't B2 a really important tool for Sub-Zero, especially Grandmaster? It's unsafe true, but people who haven't labbed punishing it will rarely do so.

 

[GOL Eklectic]

How about nrs fix frost bombs random launching properties on top of fixing the female hitbox issues. Frost bomb randomly launches the opponent at different trajectories and sometimes following up with f4 is impossible.

 

[Osagri]

Isn't B2 a really important tool for Sub-Zero, especially Grandmaster? It's unsafe true, but people who haven't labbed punishing it will rarely do so.

Its a bitch to punish with certain chars from max range. I punish it every time but I play kotal and jax so no problem there. I think only thing he needs is consistency in female combos

 

[Prinz]

He needs all of his moves and strings' names to end with "...works properly".

 

[Geoffmeister]

Not my character but considering there's a likely chance the majority of the top tier would get toned down I don't think SZ needs much.
- Aliens tail, D'vorah's tentacle (extensions of the body) should freeze through clone
- Takeda's whips, Kotals Sword (weapons) should not freeze
- 8 frame d1 would be fair, 7 frame d1 I'm not sure since this character wasn't meant to have a fast d1 (even with KP2 patch they didn't give this to him)
- I think GM's would prefer being able to combo females rather than a slightly faster poke. I'm all for him getting both as long as Ice Shatter combos gain some scaling

 

[M.D.]

How about:

Fix him into not bodying half of the cast with braindead clone corner spam.
Sounds reasonable doesn't it?

How about increase distance threshold of clone not coming out when the opponent is close. If you want a parry go play Unbreakable, I'm tired of getting cloned mid string at point blank range.

How about increase clone cooldown after being broken so I don't have to chase his backdash into another clone, my turn my ass.

How about nerfing shatter active frames so I don't get sucked back into it after I correctly read and jumped over it, with it also DOING FULL DAMAGE regardless of how many shards hit me?

These buffs sound ok?



P.s. Just read this:

it will give Grandmaster a much needed tool for corner carry

Spoiler

Seriously speaking, much needed is extremely over the topping it. 123 slide apparently is not enough x_x.

 

[GAV]

The problem is that GM is fine, but some characters have nothing to deal with the clone while other characters have a get out of jail free card against it. To balance GM, you need to completely remove these easy options and just make sure everyone has something to kombat the clone.

 

[Colest]

GM's biggest issue is Cryo and Unbreakable are ass. That variation is designed to have radical MUs, Sub Zero would do well to have another viable variation to pick in his awful matchups.

 

[Shirai Ryu Dog]

Make his b2 overhead even faster and his slide. Buff his damage so he can easily get 40 + combos midscreen like in Cryomancer. Let him be able to do multiple iceclones at a time, one is not enough. And also let him be able to do it in the air, he needs it! He's not braindead enough

 

[Tom Brady]

SZ needs 1 of 2 things.

Either:

1. Cryo and Unbreakable need changes. The variation system is there to make it so if one variation has issues in certain mu's/situations, you can always use a different variation of the character. Even if the other variation isn't better overall, it still has better application in some situations which makes it a great pick based on a few mu's. With SZ however, the variation system is useless because is other variations lose worse than GM and they actually lose to the exact same mu's for the same reasons.

2. If you don't change Cryo and Unbreakable then GM needs a little help.

 

[ChaosTheory]

Exactly what I think. Either improve Unbreakable and Cryomancer, which might include altering base normals, or tweak Grandmaster.

For Grandmaster... rather than make disjointed limbs/weapons collide with Clone, just let Clone stay on block.