Guide - Liu Kang Current Special Cancel Advantage for Liu Kang Across All Variations, April 2016

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

How I found out all these frames:

First: I tested every cancel against Reptile's Slippery Slide (7f neutral and 6f reversal), Kung Lao's Spin (8f neutral and 7f reversal), Reptile's Reptilian Dash (9f neutral and 8f reversal), Jax's Gotcha Grab (10f neutral and 9f reversal) and Possessed Kenshi's Soul Push (12f neutral and 11f reversal).

Second: I recorded every cancel with the Nvidia Geforce Shadowplay (60fps), then I watched frame per frame of every cancel in Sony Vegas.

Third: After the new patches, a friend have lended to me his PS4 and a 1MS monitor because the PC version is dead. So, I have tested every cancel against Kung Lao's Spin and Reptile's Slippery Slide and I figured it out that only the Dragon's Fire cancels were changed a little bit. The regular fireball run cancels got nerfed in only 1 frame.

FLAME FIST - frame data of the Shaolin-ferno cancel:

Spoiler

F2,1,3 EX DD1 = +8

1,1,2 EX DD1 = +5

B3,4 EX DD1 = Second hit is +5 and first hit is +3

4,4 EX DD1 = +5

F4,4 EX DD1 = +3

1,1,1 EX DD1 = +2

S4 EX DD1 = +2

B3 EX DD1 = +2

F2,1 EX DD1 = -3

B1,2 EX DD1 = -6

F1,2 EX DD1 = -6*

F2,1,U4 EX DD1 = -8

DUALIST - frame data of the Metamorphosis cancel:

Spoiler

F2,1,3 SS = +5

1,1,2 SS = +2

B3,4 SS = Second hit is +2 and first hit is 0

4,4 SS = +2

F4,4 SS = 0

1,1,1 SS = -1

S4 SS = -1

B3 SS = -1

F2,1 SS = -7

B1,2 SS = -8

F1,2 SS = -8*

F2,1,U4 SS = -10

DRAGON'S FIRE - frame data of the Fireball run cancel:

Spoiler

REGULAR FIREBALL RUN CANCEL

F2,1,3 FBRC = +13

1,1,2 FBRC = +10

B3,4 FBRC = Second hit is +10 and first hit is +8

4,4 FBRC = +10

F4,4 FBRC = +8

1,1,1 FBRC = +7

S4 FBRC = +7

B3 FBRC = +7

F2,1 FBRC = +4

F2,1,U4 FBRC = +1

B1,2 FBRC = 0

F1,2 FBRC = 0


EX FIREBALL RUN CANCEL

F2,1,3 EX FBRC = +17

1,1,2 EX FBRC = +14

B3,4 EX FBRC = Second Hit is +14 and first hit is +12

4,4 EX FBRC = +14

F4,4 EX FBRC = +12

1,1,1 EX FBRC = +11

S4 EX FBRC = +11

B3 EX FBRC = +11

F2,1 EX FBRC = +8

F2,1,U4 EX FBRC = +5

B1,2 EX FBRC = +4

F1,2 EX FBRC = +4

 

[stamatis]

Great job man,really.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

good stuff man

 

[Jaku2011]

Since I just recently started playing Dragon Fire I really needed this. Thanks.

 

[SylverRye]

Do any of these jail other than f213? Because i swear ive tried for so long and only f213 jails totally. This is good stuff brother, thanks!

 

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

Do any of these jail other than f213? Because i swear ive tried for so long and only f213 jails totally. This is good stuff brother, thanks!

All +11 cancels into F213 jails

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

Do any of these jail other than f213? Because i swear ive tried for so long and only f213 jails totally. This is good stuff brother, thanks!

When a human is testing a rc, it all comes down to human error because 9/10 you'll never get it frame perfect.

 

[SylverRye]

When a human is testing a rc, it all comes down to human error because 9/10 you'll never get it frame perfect.

True true. Ive just been messing around with his cancels but only found f213 to be consistent. I agree maybe my execution is just bad tbh lol

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

This shows that dualist needs obvious buffs. @colt

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

@cR Xarakamaka

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

the df run cancels are wrong thats the pre patch cancels sorry to say bro

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

the df run cancels are wrong thats the pre patch cancels sorry to say bro

it's not wrong . you can't tell a computer to be wrong.....

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

it's not wrong . you can't tell a computer to be wrong.....

needs videos bc even paulo said he nerfed f213 so if he didnt on some early april fools shit ill conceed that hes correct

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

it's not wrong . you can't tell a computer to be wrong.....

didnt it ruin dualist too?

 

[Kickbykick]

didnt it ruin dualist too?

Paulo fixed dualist some way. We have no idea but dualist is the exact same, but he didnt nerf dualist

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

needs videos bc even paulo said he nerfed f213 so if he didnt on some early april fools shit ill conceed that hes correct

But this comes down to human error, you would have to run cancel on the perfect frame and press a button on the perfect frame. That's two-one frame links in a row. The computer is reading it frame by frame. Only daigo can hit two frame links consistently. And xaraka isn't daigo, just like he said b1 is 10 frames when it was 9

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Paulo fixed dualist some way. We have no idea but dualist is the exact same, but he didnt nerf dualist

hmm perhaps it was a beta only nerf?

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

But this comes down to human error, you would have to run cancel on the perfect frame and press a button on the perfect frame. That's two-one frame links in a row. The computer is reading it frame by frame. Only daigo can hit two frame links consistently. And xaraka isn't daigo, just like he said b1 is 10 frames when it was 9

just skeptical because things i was previously jailing easily werent anymore

 

[Frenzy]

Could've sworn that b34 was plus 10 prepatch but I won't argue the validity of your data.

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

just skeptical because things i was previously jailing easily werent anymore

They changed the cancel or recovery frames of his fireball cancel move I think which would mean yall would have to get the timing right again.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Could've sworn that b34 was plus 10 prepatch but I won't argue the validity of your data.

yea it was

 

[hshihab]

just skeptical because things i was previously jailing easily werent anymore

Yes, now it is almost not practical to perform these FBRC block strings consistently and i'm talking offline .. online u are pretty much screwed.

 

[Wushu Warrior]

This shows that dualist needs obvious buffs. @colt

Better to tag colt than Paulo right?

 

[just_2swift]

Good stuff here.

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

But this comes down to human error, you would have to run cancel on the perfect frame and press a button on the perfect frame. That's two-one frame links in a row. The computer is reading it frame by frame. Only daigo can hit two frame links consistently. And xaraka isn't daigo, just like he said b1 is 10 frames when it was 9

That was a frame data misunderstanding by me not my execution with run cancels. Only daigo can hit 2 frame links consistently? My liu kang before patch was hitting 1-2 frame links every fb rc consistantly.I tested liu kang frame data for 5 minutes when patch came out, this frame data is saying nothing has changed with the fbrcs. Ive prooven ppl who used recording equipment wrong before but im not gna say im right as i only tested 5 minutes , for example before patch f21u4 fbrc was plus 4 but here it says plus 1? So all the cancels are the same as before patch it says here but this one is different? Also b34 second hit used to be plus 7 or 8 if i remember but now its plus 10, no discredit to anyone but somethings off here already, but ill test myself later. Ill be very happy if the frame data here is correct though! @C88 Zombieekiler