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Cassie Cage MU Discussion (MK11)

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Yeah I have since tested their zoning against eachother in the lab and came to the same conclusion as GLB. I was incorrect about the MU it's in Cassie's favor assuming both characters are played at equivalent skill level.
Honestly the more the meta evolves the more skarlet will fall in tiers I think.

The only characters that I think win against Cassie are erron, scorpion and jade, it seems like she can handle most of the cast pretty well
 

GLB Phantom Fiction

Ravenous - Catwoman- Cassie
Spacing specific I presumed
Yes full screen; midscreen low shot is pretty fast though, usually it interrupts the tentacle

Honestly the more the meta evolves the more skarlet will fall in tiers I think.

The only characters that I think win against Cassie are erron, scorpion and jade, it seems like she can handle most of the cast pretty well
What do you guys do vs Kabal? I think that is her hardest MU by far, but no one mentions it.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Yes full screen; midscreen low shot is pretty fast though, usually it interrupts the tentacle


What do you guys do vs Kabal? I think that is her hardest MU by far, but no one mentions it.
I feel like the Kabal MU isn't too bad imo. She can kneecap under his standard projectile and just jump over his lows Granted he doesn't Amp them. Even then, he loses meter. I personally think Cassie can do a good job Spacing him out, especially when she has the health lead.
 

GLB Phantom Fiction

Ravenous - Catwoman- Cassie
I feel like the Kabal MU isn't too bad imo. She can kneecap under his standard projectile and just jump over his lows Granted he doesn't Amp them. Even then, he loses meter. I personally think Cassie can do a good job Spacing him out, especially when she has the health lead.
I know it can go under, but it is one of the harder ones to do consistently because he has other projectiles or the dash to worry about and the trade is not in her favor. I can't AA him or punish the j3 or j4 into air projectile, either jump attack whiff and I get hit with the projectile. Against Jade and Cetrion I use air guns to stop their jump projectile, but all the trades are in Kabal's favor. She always has to come to him and really has no way to get the life lead. His hooks have good range, maybe i need to learn to punish the strings harder, but overall I think she gets bullied by good Kabal players to the point I would rather fight Erron.
 

Vengeance135

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I know it can go under, but it is one of the harder ones to do consistently because he has other projectiles or the dash to worry about and the trade is not in her favor. I can't AA him or punish the j3 or j4 into air projectile, either jump attack whiff and I get hit with the projectile. Against Jade and Cetrion I use air guns to stop their jump projectile, but all the trades are in Kabal's favor. She always has to come to him and really has no way to get the life lead. His hooks have good range, maybe i need to learn to punish the strings harder, but overall I think she gets bullied by good Kabal players to the point I would rather fight Erron.
I prefer Kabal over Erron anyday. I know this may be kind of dumb but do you utilize Cassie's J1? I've found that Cassie's instant J1 wins a lot of Air to Airs, especially Kabals. Of course, that's a read and reactions kind of game. But after a couple successful air to air encounters, Kabal players generally start respecting Cassie a bit more in the air. Also I go for a few grabs after I successfully block his strings and then after they catch the pattern and try to tech, I throw in a D2 for the KB. Also at certain ranges, I noticed Kabal players like to mash d1 or even string their advancing strings early on to get in. Something I've been having success with is throwing out a B2 when it's my turn then walk back. Usually most people delay themselves thinking you're going to continue the string and once they realize they can press a button, you're in neutral with some space between you too and can go for a full B2 string and whiff punish their buttons.
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Yes full screen; midscreen low shot is pretty fast though, usually it interrupts the tentacle


What do you guys do vs Kabal? I think that is her hardest MU by far, but no one mentions it.
I main both so I don‘t have too much of a problem with him. The thing with kabal is that at some point he has to approach because fullscreen he can‘t do shit against her low guns. In neutral you have to fish for a b12 whiff his neutral is too good to approach otherwise. Also take your turns on staggers, his frames are good but not good enough to garantuee anything after a stagger. Sadly you have to respect his jump ins but if he does jik into air buzzsaw you get a punish.

This mu is super slow and boring because both characters get their damage the same way, letting your opponent whiff and punish everything they can but they both are safe on everything, so it‘s just a back and forth until someone presses a button they shouldn‘t have and getting small amounts of damage with projectiles.

I think it‘s even. Yes Cassie has to work hard for the win but so does kabal
 

Vslayer

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Cassie V Kabal is definitely interesting, I had a hard time against him a couple of days ago and I even played him throughout the entire beta so I really have no excuse for not blocking his strings. He's a very unsafe character though, so as long as you're patient and get him out of your face with a D4 to F2,1+3 you'll be good. I did that strategy against a Baraka in Ranked yesterday, I kept pushing him away until he tried to get in, I let him whiff and then punished. I think we can probably use that strategy on all characters.

I'll try to upload the set tonight so you guys can see what I mean.
 

STB Sgt Reed

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Yeah I have since tested their zoning against eachother in the lab and came to the same conclusion as GLB. I was incorrect about the MU it's in Cassie's favor assuming both characters are played at equivalent skill level.
And here you were shitting on me for saying it was even :p

I had no idea about it, just ducking under her projectiles sounded good in my head.
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Cassie V Kabal is definitely interesting, I had a hard time against him a couple of days ago and I even played him throughout the entire beta so I really have no excuse for not blocking his strings. He's a very unsafe character though, so as long as you're patient and get him out of your face with a D4 to F2,1+3 you'll be good. I did that strategy against a Baraka in Ranked yesterday, I kept pushing him away until he tried to get in, I let him whiff and then punished. I think we can probably use that strategy on all characters.

I'll try to upload the set tonight so you guys can see what I mean.
Wait, how is he unsafe? He has literally no strings that you can punish and as long as the kabal player is able to hitconfirm into bf3 you can take your turn yes, but definitely no punishes. The only way is to whiff punish but even then you have to be patient, Kabals b1 has really good recovery
 

Vslayer

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Wait, how is he unsafe? He has literally no strings that you can punish and as long as the kabal player is able to hitconfirm into bf3 you can take your turn yes, but definitely no punishes. The only way is to whiff punish but even then you have to be patient, Kabals b1 has really good recovery
I don't know he felt unsafe when I played him XD my mistake, I guess his yolo nomad dash is the only ultra punishable move he has. So I guess my Baraka strategy would work well here, keep him at bay and whiff punish.
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
I don't know he felt unsafe when I played him XD my mistake, I guess his yolo nomad dash is the only ultra punishable move he has. So I guess my Baraka strategy would work well here, keep him at bay and whiff punish.
If you want we can play this mu, would be interesting to see how it works out. I play both but I rarely see any other Cassie players sadly
 

Vslayer

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If you want we can play this mu, would be interesting to see how it works out. I play both but I rarely see any other Cassie players sadly
Sure! You're on PS4?

I haven't seen a Cassie player in Casuals or ranked in 120 matches, it's sad XD
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
If you want we can play this mu, would be interesting to see how it works out. I play both but I rarely see any other Cassie players sadly
I would totally be down to play your Kabal. I'm definitely interested in this MU as well. My PSN is Vengeance135. Let me know when you're available.

Sure! You're on PS4?

I haven't seen a Cassie player in Casuals or ranked in 120 matches, it's sad XD
Yeah for a character that people say is strong, you don't see many Cassie's online. I would be down to play whatever characters you play in some set on PSN. My ID is Vengeance135. Maybe we can lab some stuff to help in her MUs as well.
 

GLB Phantom Fiction

Ravenous - Catwoman- Cassie
Alright, maybe it isn’t her hardest MU, I practiced against him for 3 and half hours this morning. I do think he has advantage from most parts of the screen. Nomad Dash makes it so you can’t low shot all the time and he has way more mind games off the trade because of it. If you time low shot to go under his buzzsaw, they recover fast enough that he can block the shot in time.

His air buzzsaw is safe from anywhere not point blank and even then the timing is tight, but neutral ducking the jumpkick does allow you to AA consistently and I’m probably respecting his staggers too much because of the Krushing Blows.

I play slow anyway and his FB changes the match when the timer comes into play. I don’t think it is unwinnable, but I think Kabal is at an advantage.
 

Vslayer

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Yeah for a character that people say is strong, you don't see many Cassie's online. I would be down to play whatever characters you play in some set on PSN. My ID is Vengeance135. Maybe we can lab some stuff to help in her MUs as well.
Sure! I'm down. I'll add you when I get home! Mine is Vslayer_MK
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Alright, maybe it isn’t her hardest MU, I practiced against him for 3 and half hours this morning. I do think he has advantage from most parts of the screen. Nomad Dash makes it so you can’t low shot all the time and he has way more mind games off the trade because of it. If you time low shot to go under his buzzsaw, they recover fast enough that he can block the shot in time.

His air buzzsaw is safe from anywhere not point blank and even then the timing is tight, but neutral ducking the jumpkick does allow you to AA consistently and I’m probably respecting his staggers too much because of the Krushing Blows.

I play slow anyway and his FB changes the match when the timer comes into play. I don’t think it is unwinnable, but I think Kabal is at an advantage.
I believe the only time he can block low shot after standing buzzsaw is close to/and max range. I think anything closer counts as a low shot punish. I'll have to double check but I'm pretty certain.
 

DarksydeDash

With my best, I will defeat your best.
Cetrion MU seems bad. Not too bad but she definitely outzones hard, that and the "pinata" wall like shuts down your b24 game.
 
Im always doing low air low air standing shoot repeat while dashing forward and blocking, only ran into a few cetrion players so far though
 

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
@Vslayer @Vengeance135
Yes I‘m on ps4. I‘ll add you guys later.
Right now I need to play on wifi for the next two weeks sadly, we have to see if that works out, otherwise I have to wait till I can play wired again

@DarksydeDash I only fought one good cetrion and he completely mobbed me. Air guns are good against her sir projectile but that‘s pretty much the only thing I learned from it. If you block her boulder she get‘s a garantueed water thingy special if I remember correctly
 

Vslayer

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Y'all we need to talk about Jade, all of Cassie's tools are literally useless against her (maybe it's just me). You can't even punish her stick whiffs because it keeps you far enough that it'll just make you whiff and then you're gonna get smacked in the face by her staff. I think the only way that's somewhat safe would be to use B2,4 to punish.

Also if they do a nitro kick and you're neutral crouching you get a free D2 KB.
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
Obviously it's super early and only the highest of level Cassie's will have a more concrete idea of her matchups, but just for funsies, here's what I think currently (subject to change of course). And I'm just gonna go with "wins, loses, or even" based off of initial impressions and personal experience in matches instead of numbers cause the game isn't old enough yet.

Also, I'm no high level player so... grain of salt and feel free to laugh at/blow me up for this.

Sonya - Even (her zoning is good, but cassie can go under it with hers. However I think sonya is stronger up close)
Baraka - Even (very similar to sonya)
Skarlet - Even
Sub-Zero - Even
Raiden - Wins (teleport could be a headache, but Raiden is trash tier up close)
Scorpion - Loses
Liu Kang - Even
Shao Kahn - Wins (get zoned lol)
Kano - Wins
D'Vorah - Wins
Kabal - Even
Jade - Loses (could be even, once you get in on jade, Cassie is better than her.)
Johnny - Wins
Cassie - Even (With the edge going to non valedictorian Cass :p)
Erron - Loses (Eats her projectiles, full screen 50/50s, just as good up close, etc)
Jacqui - Wins
Kotal - Wins
Noob - Wins (outzones him, and makes his high projectile useless)
Jax - Wins (see gross vs tyrant, hard for jax to get in)
Kung Lao - Wins
Cetrion - Even (her zoning is better, but Cassie is better up close)
Kollector - Wins
Kitana - Wins
Frost - Wins
HOW THE HELL did you forget GERAS!! Lol