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buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
- Tail Snag (db3) is a halfscreen low that is 14 frames. Not reactable.

- Tail Flip (bf4) is a halfscreen overhead that is 18 frames. Not reactable to all but very high level players (who can likely only react to it if they are specifically looking for it).

- B2 is a halfscreen overhead that is 22 frames. Reactable.

- B3 is a halfscreen low that is 18 frames. See Tail Flip.

- F4 is a 1/3rd screen overhead that is 17 frames. Not reactable.

If you don't like people calling your character ridiculous that's fine, but please don't insult us by calling Alien's mixups 'easily reactable'.
The thing is even if all of the mixups where past whatever threshold we want to label as "reactable", people would still be hit because you have to react to everything. It's not like you could block one way and try to react to something else. With that, restands, and mixups built right into strings no way you'd be blocking Alien.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
okay let's all keep in mind that almost every zoner wins with at least 6-4 in the match up because he can't hit fullscreen but if you play drunken master it becomes a 9-1 match in acidic's favor
 

omooba

fear the moobs
He isn't fair and he sure as hell not balanced stop with the downplaying , It was funny when we downplayed quan but now its not funny at all , you cant react to the low not to mention he can literally get 55%+ if he touches you once in the corner with his +24 grabs , not to mention he has mixups f13bf4 and f134bf4 both which are somewhat safe (-7) so please.....
okay i was fine with he's nasty but not with 'he's not fair' dude come on don't do this. have you labed him at all? looked at all match ups? give it a minute before saying he's broke.
 
okay i was fine with he's nasty but not with 'he's not fair' dude come on don't do this. have you labed him at all? looked at all match ups? give it a minute before saying he's broke.
He is broke and i play him lol , you can see if a character is broken when you can look at there overall tools.
 

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
- Tail Snag (db3) is a halfscreen low that is 14 frames. Not reactable.

- Tail Flip (bf4) is a halfscreen overhead that is 18 frames. Not reactable to all but very high level players (who can likely only react to it if they are specifically looking for it).

- B2 is a halfscreen overhead that is 22 frames. Reactable.

- B3 is a halfscreen low that is 18 frames. See Tail Flip.

- F4 is a 1/3rd screen overhead that is 17 frames. Not reactable.

If you don't like people calling your character ridiculous that's fine, but please don't insult us by calling Alien's mixups 'easily reactable'.
His lows reach further than overhead option so block low all the time and be ready to block high when in range of overhead. Only high lvl players block tail flip ? I guess most of my online friends on xbox are very high lvl players :DOGE
Why do you ppl try to ruin another character ? Pick him if hes so good or lvl up. Triborg is real problem so go complain there .
Alien is good but not broken in any way and no need for normalizations here .
 

ando1184

Noob
I don't think you guys should necessarily jump to conclusions just yet. He has dirt like everyone else but this or any of his variations aren't OP. We did this same kind of stuff to the likes of predator, Tanya, etc...so I think we should just keep learning the match ups a little better. Yes the tics stack and he has a fullscreen presence but this variation is based primarily around that. So nerfing their effects could greatly hinder the effectiveness of this variation. That being said, imho, all they really need to do to alien is create a gap at the end of his f134 string to really balance this guy out. This will allow the opponent to "react/guess" appropriately to his 50/50's, while not killing this variation specifically. Just a suggestion, what do you guys think?

Edit: I'm just saying because the majority of this guys tools are fairly slow and negative on block
 
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omooba

fear the moobs
He is broke and i play him lol , you can see if a character is broken when you can look at there overall tools.
okay let's look at his tools that you mentioned
the 30 into chip only hits in corner aight unless you're spending a bar
his overhead doesn't hit duck blocking femals close range meaning close range he has no 50/50's
his zoning doesn't hit fullscreen i'e he looses to every zoner
the no comeback factor really isn't a reason to say he's broke
please gimme more tools
again he's nasty but far from broke and you're a scrub for jumping to conclusions this fast
 

WiseM0nkey

welcome to the ButtSlam
I don't think you guys should necessarily jump to conclusions just yet. He has dirt like everyone else but this or any of his variations aren't OP. We did this same kind of stuff to the likes of predator, Tanya, etc...so I think we should just keep learning the match ups a little better. Yes the tics stack and he has a fullscreen presence but this variation is based primarily around that. So needing their effects could greatly hinder the effectiveness of this variation. That being said, imho, all they really need to do to alien is create a gap at the end of his f134 string to really balance this guy out. This will allow the opponent to "react/guess" appropriately to his 50/50's, while not killing this variation specifically. Just a suggestion, what do you guys think?
problem is, even if you learn the MU, in this game, some characters gets completly overwhelmed by his tools, they just dont have options around it, and you're putting the stacking chip on top of his already great zoning tools... like, for me it's bad design when some characters dont even have any option to conter his zoning
 

DDutchguy

Raiden enthusiast
His lows reach further than overhead option so block low all the time and be ready to block high when in range of overhead. Only high lvl players block tail flip ? I guess most of my online friends on xbox are very high lvl players :DOGE
Why do you ppl try to ruin another character ? Pick him if hes so good or lvl up. Triborg is real problem so go complain there .
Alien is good but not broken in any way and no need for normalizations here .
I wasn't talking about whether Alien was broken or not (haven't seen anything resembling broken yet), I was responding to you saying his mixups were easily reactable, which they are not.
 

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
I don't think you guys should necessarily jump to conclusions just yet. He has dirt like everyone else but this or any of his variations aren't OP. We did this same kind of stuff to the likes of predator, Tanya, etc...so I think we should just keep learning the match ups a little better. Yes the tics stack and he has a fullscreen presence but this variation is based primarily around that. So needing their effects could greatly hinder the effectiveness of this variation. That being said, imho, all they really need to do to alien is create a gap at the end of his f134 string to really balance this guy out. This will allow the opponent to "react/guess" appropriately to his 50/50's, while not killing this variation specifically. Just a suggestion, what do you guys think?

Edit: I'm just saying because the majority of this guys tools are fairly slow and negative on block
Finally some reasonable talk . I would be OK with that normalization .
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
I been gave you the rundown on alien bruh. WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME!!!!:(:mad::(
You are a smart man, and as a smart man you should know that if you're getting information about something make sure you at least get it from multiple sources before fact checking. I believe you ;)
 

WiseM0nkey

welcome to the ButtSlam
okay let's look at his tools that you mentioned
the 30 into chip only hits in corner aight unless you're spending a bar
his overhead doesn't hit duck blocking femals close range meaning close range he has no 50/50's
his zoning doesn't hit fullscreen i'e he looses to every zoner
the no comeback factor really isn't a reason to say he's broke
please gimme more tools
again he's nasty but far from broke and you're a scrub for jumping to conclusions this fast
actually you can place his acid spit further or closer...

you're underrating the comback factor in a momentum / fast paced game like MKX
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
His lows reach further than overhead option so block low all the time and be ready to block high when in range of overhead. Only high lvl players block tail flip ? I guess most of my online friends on xbox are very high lvl players :DOGE
Why do you ppl try to ruin another character ? Pick him if hes so good or lvl up. Triborg is real problem so go complain there .
Alien is good but not broken in any way and no need for normalizations here .
WOAH WOAH WOAH i was with you until that scandalous tri borg statement :DOGE
 

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
problem is, even if you learn the MU, in this game, some characters gets completly overwhelmed by his tools, they just dont have options around it, and you're putting the stacking chip on top of his already great zoning tools... like, for me it's bad design when some characters dont even have any option to conter his zoning
problem is, even if you learn the MU, in this game, some characters gets completly overwhelmed by his tools, they just dont have options around it, and you're putting the stacking chip on top of his already great zoning tools... like, for me it's bad design when some characters dont even have any option to conter his zoning
Thats why you have variation system in this game and 32 more characters who may do better in this MU ;) Acidic have bad mu's too u know ?
 

omooba

fear the moobs
actually you can place his acid spit further or closer...

you're underrating the comback factor in a momentum / fast paced game like MKX
it still can't go fullscreen. considering you said that i no longer believe you play him

not trying to start beef or anything but please go lab him before more people come in here asking for nerfs
 
okay let's look at his tools that you mentioned
the 30 into chip only hits in corner aight unless you're spending a bar
his overhead doesn't hit duck blocking femals close range meaning close range he has no 50/50's
his zoning doesn't hit fullscreen i'e he looses to every zoner
the no comeback factor really isn't a reason to say he's broke
please gimme more tools
again he's nasty but far from broke and you're a scrub for jumping to conclusions this fast
If they're full screen you can jump forward and throw the acid and it reachs them for once and they get touched they're losing health overtime already not to mention if they get hit they go into a stun animation and if they try and run in they'll stop due to the acid , he has a great d4 aswell to stop running in and a 7f -3 d1 sooo... Also he has a 10f mid that goes into a string that has a mixup thats only -7 ( few can punish) ie : f13 bf4 f134 bf4 and easily hitconfirmed aswell , his jump ins are insanely good with a half screen ji4 and a move that can actually armor break sometimes , good ji2 aswell his corner game is fucking scary thats where he gets a restand that he can mixup off of (string or grab) with a grab that can lead up to 24% lol... He touches you once and you're under that acid you could potentially lose 50%+ his damage is fairly good mid screen and the corner
 
it still can't go fullscreen. considering you said that i no longer believe you play him

not trying to start beef or anything but please go lab him before more people come in here asking for nerfs
We're like 2 weeks in already , Thats the time people took that tanya is broken (maybe even less)