Black Adam Trait Cancels

[Error]

Updated to reflect February patch changes

I took the old trait cancel frames and subtracted 3 from them with the exception of the cancels that were negative, I tested those with reversal SG(5f) and Flash(6f) supermove as well as 8f specials. 113 had it's cancel advantage changed as well, which took a little more testing.

1 - -1
11 - +9
112 - +11
113 - +10
13 - +13
f1 - +8
f12 - +3
b1 - +8
b12 - -1
d1 - -4
2 - -4
22 - -1
22b1 - +6
f2 - +1 (f2 is more plus on it's own)
b2 - +6
d2 - -8

Spoiler: Pre-Patch Trait Cancels

1 - +2
11 - +12
112 - +14
113 - around +24, can feels like I can beat his 28f f3 with a mb b3, which only gains armor on the 5th frame...just don't press buttons
13 - +16
f1 - +11
f12 - +6
b1 - +11
b12 - +2
d1 - -4 at worst
2 - -4 at worst
22 - +2
22b1 - +9
f2 - +4
b2 - +9
d2 - -4 at worst

If something looks wrong feel free to contest it.
Last updated: 2/12/2018

@Qwark28 @Clark L. @Smarrgasm @usedcarsalesmang @KHAOTIC_UNCLE-_-CREEPY @EMPEROR_OF_OUTWORLD

 

[Shaka]

Nice work, pls tag me in all Adam related tech!

is this on block or hit?

 

[Qwark28]

I don't play BA. Tag @Nivek for future tech.

 

[Error]

Nice work, pls tag me in all Adam related tech!

is this on block or hit?

On block

 

[Darth Mao]

Tag me too! Nice work!

 

[HappyPow]

Nice my man! And tag me too (just stole that punchline above )

 

[Beach]

Fine work! With ex low lightning being -3 we should be able to get fair amounts of safe ship if we start the block string with 11/113/112/22b1 then.

 

[Error]

Fine work! With ex low lightning being -3 we should be able to get fair amounts of safe ship if we start the block string with 11/113/112/22b1 then.

True, though often times your best bet is to go for a grab, also know that 22b1 has gaps between every hit I think.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Nice, tag me for stuff like this pls

 

[SaSSolino]

nice, thanks

 

[wsj515]

Would be nice to have someone calculate the exact frame advantage for each of these, and then have it stickied.

I would do it myself but I have no idea where to even begin besides trial and error with different reversals.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Not sure if these are exact numbers, but here's more or less what I found Adam's frame advantage seems to be off the following strings cancelled into trait:

1 - 0
11 - at least +9
112 - at least +9
113 - + enough to get an instant divekick and which counts as a blockstring
13 - +16 probably more, divekick beats fusion charge reversal
f1 - +8
f12 - +1
b1 - +8
b12 - +1
d1 -
2 -
22 -
22b1 - +7
f2 - +1
b2 - +7
d2 -

The ones that are blank were negative enough that a reversal fusion charge (8 frame advancing mid) beat out a d1/1 attempt.

If something looks wrong feel free to contest it

@Qwark28 @Clark L. @Smarrgasm @usedcarsalesmang @KHAOTIC_UNCLE-_-CREEPY @EMPEROR_OF_OUTWORLD

Are You sure f12 trait is +1? I'm setting it to throw after it and it's beating my poke almost all the time , no idea if its timing based but it feels more plus

 

[Error]

Are You sure f12 trait is +1? I'm setting it to throw after it and it's beating my poke almost all the time , no idea if its timing based but it feels more plus

When I tested it vs firestorm's 8 frame reversal 8frame f1 beat it, 9 frame s3 traded and 10 frame s2 was stuffed every time.
I'm also pretty sure you can poke out of f12 trait grab.

 

[ATP2014]

F12 trait cancel seemed more plus when I tested it. Setting the AI to neutral jump, I was able to jail a d1 off the cancel. Am I doing something wrong here?

 

[ienjoywinning]

When I tested it vs firestorm's 8 frame reversal 8frame f1 beat it, 9 frame s3 traded and 10 frame s2 was stuffed every time.
I'm also pretty sure you can poke out of f12 trait grab.

Yeah that was my bad , you have to do it perfectly , you can't mash prior or it'll beat out my poke

 

[Error]

F12 trait cancel seemed more plus when I tested it. Setting the AI to neutral jump, I as able to jail a d1 off the cancel. Am I doing something wrong here?

The jumping test isn't really reliable, I tested using reversal fusion charge since it's 8 frames and seeing which normals beat, traded, or got stuffed by it. This method still isn't perfect but gives a better idea of what works.

 

[ATP2014]

The jumping test isn't really reliable, I tested using reversal fusion charge since it's 8 frames and seeing which normals beat, traded, or got stuffed by it. This method still isn't perfect but gives a better idea of what works.

I'll have to test when I get home. But even if the AI is set to reversal, the d1 would jail anyways right? Unless somehow the AI is able to block during the initial jump frames.

 

[Reauxbot]

Jesus look at those frames.
This dude has everything you need in a character doesn't he?
-_-

 

[Error]

Jesus look at those frames.
This dude has everything you need in a character doesn't he?
-_-

No wake up or AA for cross ups lol

 

[Wetdoba]

No wake up or AA for cross ups lol

Lightning cage doesnt get cross ups?

 

[Error]

Lightning cage doesnt get cross ups?

Would probably be mu dependent with floaty jumpers, but like doing it to supergirl or batman well probably get you killed.

 

[wsj515]

The jumping test isn't really reliable, I tested using reversal fusion charge since it's 8 frames and seeing which normals beat, traded, or got stuffed by it. This method still isn't perfect but gives a better idea of what works.

Just a thought, aren't reversal specials actually a frame faster than listed due to the buffer windows for reversals?

 

[Error]

Just a thought, aren't reversal specials actually a frame faster than listed due to the buffer windows for reversals?

I still have no idea what that whole reversal frame thing means so I'm not sure, but from what I remember the frame off doesn't matter because moves don't become active until the 1st start-up frame anyways.

 

[Crusty]

What the actual fuck on these plus frames

I'm going to invest now.

 

[Error]

What the actual fuck on these plus frames

I'm going to invest now.

Yeah, he's had most of the highly + cancels since IGAU