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Question - Smoke best characters against smoke

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Smoke has a lot of flaws that GMSZ can beat.

The Smoke Out and the Skydrop Attack can be freezed spot on with Ice Klone. His Smoke out can also be hit (noticed that when I wanted to do D4xxIK).

If he throws at you the smokeball, then you block low to avoid it, and if he does the skydrop attack, you block high.

If you do the Ice Klone and stay inside the klone, while ducking, you're very safe from both of the above attacks.

Pre-patch, Smoke used to pass through the Ice Klone with Skydrop Attack with armor. Now, it's no longer doable.

I did beat my friend's Smoke from 6-1 to 6-6, meaning 5 consecutive wins.
 

Dankster Morgan

she don’t call me daddy she call me Grandmaster
Sub's corner klone setplay is probably more effective against Smoke than any other variation in the game.
 

Beckmann_2420

I am the Infantry! FOLLOW ME!
What everyone already beat me to, definitely GM. Can't db4 = frozen. In corner can't phase = frozen. Since smoke has no armor , you will be raped in the corner by GM subs big ice klone penis.

Smoke has a lot of flaws that GMSZ can beat.

The Smoke Out and the Skydrop Attack can be freezed spot on with Ice Klone. His Smoke out can also be hit (noticed that when I wanted to do D4xxIK).

If he throws at you the smokeball, then you block low to avoid it, and if he does the skydrop attack, you block high.

If you do the Ice Klone and stay inside the klone, while ducking, you're very safe from both of the above attacks.

Pre-patch, Smoke used to pass through the Ice Klone with Skydrop Attack with armor. Now, it's no longer doable.

I did beat my friend's Smoke from 6-1 to 6-6, meaning 5 consecutive wins.
Smokes db4 never had armor.
 
Is smoke's slide punishable? The one where he can delay the 4 after? I think you can only block and try to poke after. So basically he gets in for free.
 

Karma

Soul Caliber, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, and SF.
Is smoke's slide punishable? The one where he can delay the 4 after? I think you can only block and try to poke after. So basically he gets in for free.
Yes it is punishable by reversal or kounter if your frames are faster than his block disadvantage. Idk about the delay tho.
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Oh duh he never even crosses my mind as a legitimate threat so I forget BG is even a thing for Sub because nobody wants to try that. Kotal in general gets raped by Sub now.
True. I did beat my friend's Kotal Khan in all of his variations. I heard that he got nerfed quite a bit.