i have to ask do the people you play have special abilities like Reading into the future, OH slash in unreactible. you do know that right. noone is gonna go: ohh an overhead slash is coming and just lighting move across the map like GoKU like it is Dragon Ball Z. I play online and in tournaments and i think the Slash is twice as good now, way better recovery and better hit advantage that grants follow up now. its great. so it Tele-Flurry, can be ducked, but thats what other projectiles are for.
he has way less recovery on his moves now. its not 3-29 anymore, they can not go full screen and punish off one wiff of TF or one run though of OH slash, you can Push them in mid run and steal there Stmina and leave them for dead full screen to throw whatever you want.
its a new Age for Balanced.
Nothing against you man, but I have watched this forum for over 5 years, and i have seen the KEnshi forum and know you are a good guy and i decent player. but i think you are to stuck in old Kenshi world and need to get a few months using the new kenshi before calling him Garbage. 1 day after patch is not enough time to be like he is shit and worse than before. if all your friends are saying that then, they need to settle down and learn all MU's the game is different and all characters are different in this meta. ther eis no tie rlist or Matchup Kowledge anymore. its square one. and noone can say Day 1 Kenshi Balanced is shit. Everyone has the same Universal tools now, HTB's are useless with double hitting armor, and many things are better now, less Stmina means less pressure. no more mixups in your face then rc into rc, you kockem out then they right on you like a fly, that age is gone. its been slowed down and made more defensive.
I do play people on high competitive level i dont judge match ups nor Kenshi on "oh i beat my sunday friends online with Kenshi so he must be good" like many here. Thats why people like me, Pig and many others just dont see the point in arguing on TYM.
It has nothing to do on a personal level, im interested in facts and facts are: that Kenshi was bad for last 18 months and there was so many people on TYM saying he isnt bad, yet NONE of them played and placed at any tournament with him. And thats that.
And the story repeats itself, we're just frustrated coz for obvious reasons after 18 months of struggle we thought that Kenshi finally is gonna be buffed to lets say high mid tier. Sadly that's not the case.
Most of you didnt even mentioned glaring weakness of Balanced Kenshi now which is one of the reasons why we consider him not even better then he was pre patch:
- Pre patch EX RK beside obvious AA had one really big function - it allowed balanced Kenshi to blowup GAPS and by that i mean full combo (28%) and send full screen on top of that. Now you have to use EX SC to do that and you get "amazing"........... 13%. Cassie can just go ham on you with b12,4 coz she gladly take your bar for 13% of dmg and most of the time you just gonna block coz its not worth it to waste a bar for 13% dmg. And Kenshi still has no backdash, which is laughable at best.
Exactly the same thing applies to Kenjutsu in which on top your EX PUSH is -13 lmao. And lets add to that Tele suspense which no longer has an armor but still is -29 on block....... wtf. And no, in reality even the 50/50 aren't safe. Playing Kenjutsu now has 0 sense.
- EX OH slash, i don't know where to start... it has 24 startup frames, yeah its slow. But thats not the problem. Problem is that everybody who actually know Kenshi (Balanced) MU always block low first then high. And since its so slow, they will easily fuzzy it, like 95% of the time. It's -10 on block, which means on top of losing a bar up close youre risking full combo punish. If your oponnents get hit by it then all i can really say is that they should level up...
- Balanced Kenshi zoning didnt change (whiff frames on normal TF and OH) it still sucks ass and yes its a bit better coz of overall stamina nerfs but its nowhere near good.
- SC being -10 is okish if you always use it at max distance and dont whiff but even then without a bar for EX SC its pretty scary to throw it out. We have characters like Tremor and Cassie in the game with 6f advancing normals.
- EX SC is good but in many aspects its worse then EX RK was pre patch (one of that aspects i wrote above). Also why in gods name would you make a move +3 and then give it a pushback so big you cant do pretty much anything from those plus frames. It's just a good get off me move which deals "whooping" 13% and sends full screen.
- AA with S1 is fine but there is no way in hell you gonna be on point with it all the time especially with jip1 from characters like Kotal and few others. Thats another aspect where pre patch EX RK was way better then EX SC is now.
Game is now more neutral focused and Kenshi neutral is mediocre at best with only 1 really good point which is EX SC. And when those really good characters in neutral / up close get in its EX SC or death. Usually death.
And no, we don't want to wait another "couple of months" coz we waited 18 months already and Paulo only knows if there gonna be any more patches or not. So there is no time to wait.
SCR is soon i can bet good money that nobody maining Kenshi will do well at it. Not to mention i'm pretty sure nobody will even play him.
Like i said im interested in facts/results on high level only. And the facts are that Kenshi has no results in MK X (a side from Pig at the beginning and one top 16/32 Ashenar). Sadly, that probably not gonna change with Kenshi in his current form.
