I'm guna say now. Grodd is a lot stronger than I thought. The patch changes helped him more than I thought. It's hard to tell cause you have these crazy grodd mains who are nuts on him playing vs people who have limited MU experience. (Talking about streams from high level players) He could be another cancel sleeper like at the start of mkx with johnny. Though on paper he's just a total neutral warrior who will catch you pressing buttons when u shouldn't so he has his limitations against a very defensive player who knows the MU. I'd like to see some dragon level blocking and discipline to see how he does.