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Volcram

Noob
TrulyAmiracle said:
For Liu, if people didn't catch it in the frames vid, his parry KB works on flawless block followups too, and he has gaps before some of his plus strings so if you read that they'll Flawless and u2 after you can parry KB them for 500+ damage.




50/50 city, he felts very MKX-ish so always have to guess if he's on offense. air axe is like Kabal's for troll zoning, iceball being iceball makes zoning trades in his favor.
Idk he's very intuitive and everything works, the variation that removes slide and only has MB iceball can suck my nuts though. 2 specials havin ass variation, thinkin he Ice Guile smh.




It's f2212 and no sadly. Wit the air hook special it was his best string but it's hard to utilize it without and that move isnt in either tourney variation...

Sonya hats coz they were actually worth recording

Liu outfits, didnt record the last one for spoiler reasons but if you really wanna see it I can post it separate. It's pretty sick tho

Liu intro/outro



Lao Erron Sub and Scorp frames in a bit, Phone is buggin out..
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Hey is there anyway you can show kotals back grab brutality? Ive been really looking forward to seeing it!
 
Parasurama

Parasurama

Dragon
Does Liu Kang have any long ranges pokes or mids? Spacing tools like other characters?


TrulyAmiracle said:
Jade pole vaunt cancel frames (1 def bar cost) (varies a lot depending on when you cancel it, these are fastest possible cancel)
4 PVC: -10 ob, +1 oh
b343 PVC: -14 ob, +3 oh
f34 PVC: -11 ob, +2 oh
12 PVC: -9 ob, knockdown oh
b1 PVC: -19 ob, +3 oh
f2 PVC: -10 ob, +15 oh
21 PVC: -18 ob, +2 oh

Liu Kang Shaolin Stance Cancel frames: (1 def bar cost), can't find a safe cancel sadly.
12 SSC: -22 ob, -9 oh
212 SSC: -26 ob, -8 oh
b2 SSC: -15 ob, -2 oh
f3 SSC: -26 ob, -13 oh
b3 SSC: -26 ob, -5 oh
f43 SSC: -23 ob, -3 oh
b12 SSC: -12 ob, -1 oh

Also dunno if this is known but Liu doesn't actually do the bicycle animation on whiff or block he just does the first hit and lands, -5 ob and its a high.
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ogrimtitan

ogrimtitan

Noob
TrulyAmiracle said:
50/50 city, he felts very MKX-ish so always have to guess if he's on offense. air axe is like Kabal's for troll zoning, iceball being iceball makes zoning trades in his favor.
Idk he's very intuitive and everything works, the variation that removes slide and only has MB iceball can suck my nuts though. 2 specials havin ass variation, thinkin he Ice Guile smh.
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Well but... is he, though? Like is iceball good enough to play a sonic boom type of function? Are his normals that good? I was super bummed about the two-special variation, but I Maine’s Guile in SF4 and 5, so I wouldn’t be disappointed if Sub came out playing similar.
 
Parasurama

Parasurama

Dragon
You are a miracle worker.... Do you have Shao Kahn frame data?

TrulyAmiracle said:
Keep in mind most my time has been labbing as opposed to matches, but these characters are the ones that stood out to me coz of a strong tool (or multiple)
Sub, Liu, Frost, Jacqui, Dvorah, Erron, Skarlet, Johnny, Baraka, Kollector, Jax, Sonya, Jade, Geras




I’ve already posted Liu frames but here

I plan on labbing a bit more with him today, so I might post some combos.
And he has some crazy skins so I’ll try to get those too.
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E

exorder

Noob
@TrulyAmiracle Hey dude could we get some Scorpion frames? I wanna know if he's dead already pre-launch, with Misery Blade being a must have and now not even being part of tourney variations.
 
LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
Circus said:
Okay, this is the fully updated list of all the written out frame data that we have as of right now.
I'll keep updating as @TrulyAmiracle or others update the characters remaining.


http://imgur.com/dMOTZYQ


http://imgur.com/qGe47d4


http://imgur.com/5MKfhsG


http://imgur.com/YFzoF59


http://imgur.com/XhfUK0V


http://imgur.com/Iqmskwr


http://imgur.com/ZsRrUkJ


http://imgur.com/cetYtYJ


http://imgur.com/i1m4mvS


http://imgur.com/vkNY48B


http://imgur.com/msXFWXG


http://imgur.com/iM4bREO


http://imgur.com/249DkS0


http://imgur.com/hNE62zu


Characters Missing:
  1. Scorpion
  2. Baraka
  3. Raiden
  4. Sub Zero
  5. Kabal
  6. Kung Lao
  7. Jade
  8. Skarlet
  9. Erron Black
  10. D'Vorah
  11. Geras
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Did the game get another patch?
 
LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
MrArcher15 said:
Yeah I think they are straying away from having things be plus on block.
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I'm seeing tons of plus frames and the data looks solid to me. The pokes are fast and certain moves are plus 1-6 which is powerful as hell in this game where neutral is the focus -2 on block should be strong allowing you to wiff punishing these advancing Mids.

Johnny cage has plus frames everywhere and Frost has a couple + normals and one that's 0 on block.
Since most the cast doesn't have both overhead and low starters we are seeing +1 to +6 strings to allow stagger pressure. Remember Kitana's 21 in mkx it was +2 on block and Cassie's 332, 11, and b124 all those where only +1 to +2 on block and they allowed hella pressure.

We don't need +25 like Johnny and others had before patches on MkX.

I think they will be powerful in 11
 
TrulyAmiracle

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
Cassie dual wielding cancel: (no cost): Shit sucks but I already wrote them down so here
11 DWC: -22 ob, -14 oh
111 DWC: -19 ob, -14 oh
12 DWC: -18 ob, -6 oh
2 DWC: -24 ob, -6 oh
21 DWC: -22 ob, -6 oh
b2 DWC: -19 ob, -12 oh
b24 DWC: -12 ob, -9 oh
f2 DWC: -16 ob, 0 oh
f4 DWC: -22 ob, -5 oh
4 DWC: -20 ob, -15 oh
f34 DWC: -30 ob, +1 oh
f41 DWC: -20 ob, -1 oh

Messed with Erron's Lock n loaded cancels but all that shit is in the -30 numbers so just know its painfully slow.

Also his f4 MB is only on block, he does a -10 low gunshot while he's on the ground.

Raiden's Superman cancels are all -15 or higher but he's super far out after so they might be worthwhile. Cost 1 def bar tho.


Now, frames and other shit

Erron frames (flip the inputs I was on 2p side.....)

Raiden frames

Subzero frames

Lao frames

Kotal throw brutality
 
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LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
TrulyAmiracle said:
Cassie dual wielding cancel: (no cost): Shit sucks but I already wrote them down so here
11 DWC: -22 ob, -14 oh
111 DWC: -19 ob, -14 oh
12 DWC: -18 ob, -6 oh
2 DWC: -24 ob, -6 oh
21 DWC: -22 ob, -6 oh
b2 DWC: -19 ob, -12 oh
b24 DWC: -12 ob, -9 oh
f2 DWC: -16 ob, 0 oh
f4 DWC: -22 ob, -5 oh
4 DWC: -20 ob, -15 oh
f34 DWC: -30 ob, +1 oh
f41 DWC: -20 ob, -1 oh

Messed with Erron's Lock n loaded cancels but all that shit is in the -30 numbers so just know its painfully slow.

Also his f4 MB is only on block, he does a -10 low gunshot while he's on the ground.

Raiden's Superman cancels are all -15 or higher but he's super far out after so they might be worthwhile. Cost 1 def bar tho.


Now, frames and other shit

Erron frames (flip the inputs I was on 2p side.....)

Raiden frames

Subzero frames

Lao frames

Kotal throw brutality
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@Circus
 
LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
@TrulyAmiracle not sure if you seen it last night but I was hoping you could go to character select screen and try different inputs on Frost to see if there are hidden characters behind her like there was on mkx with CyberSubZero being uu2 or something.

Maybe try everything 1,2,3,4 on all inputs uu,dd,ff,bb,bf1)2/3/4 ect.

Thinking there will be a patch after day 1 cuz I think they have it all locked up until then but it's worth trying.
I heard Frost has Cyrax's standing 4 but I'm not sure. She does have the same data sphere as Triborg had in mkx that she puts in her chest.
I'd very much appreciate it being a long time Cyrax main and huge fan.

Thank you for all you have done, you are awesome!
 
DDustiNN

DDustiNN

MK11 Pocket Guide: Koming Soon to the App Store
LawAbidingCitizen said:
@TrulyAmiracle not sure if you seen it last night but I was hoping you could go to character select screen and try different inputs on Frost to see if there are hidden characters behind her like there was on mkx with CyberSubZero being uu2 or something.

Maybe try everything 1,2,3,4 on all inputs uu,dd,ff,bb,bf1)2/3/4 ect.

Thinking there will be a patch after day 1 cuz I think they have it all locked up until then but it's worth trying.
I heard Frost has Cyrax's standing 4 but I'm not sure. She does have the same data sphere as Triborg had in mkx that she puts in her chest.
I'd very much appreciate it being a long time Cyrax main and huge fan.

Thank you for all you have done, you are awesome!
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Wouldn’t get your hopes up. Derek Kirtzic just confirmed in an interview with Game Informer that the whole “no NPC” thing is “misinformation”.
 
LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
DDustiNN said:
Wouldn’t get your hopes up. Derek Kirtzic just confirmed in an interview with Game Informer that the whole “no NPC” thing is “misinformation”.
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Do you have a link to that interview?


I know there are NPCs Sheeva is one. But Ed Boon said in a recent interview that there are secret unlocks in MK11. And with them being such a huge part of the story I don't see them not making it in. On top if that they made them separate characters and have thier in movesets and multiple skins. I'm pretty sure they are Unlockable or DLC but I'm hoping Unlockable so I don't have to wait a year to use my favorite character.
 
TrulyAmiracle

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
Alright frames incomin, idk who's left. I think Geras, Skarlet, baraka and..?

Scorpion frames

Dvorah frames

Kaballin frames


For the guy who asked. Kotal's tourney Totem is the one that heals Kotal's health. Ezekiel totem or whatever its called.

Also the Erron 2nd tourney variation doesn't have the acid shitty move, gets the command grab and a slide cancel instead. My bad on that, thought I already switched it.

I took pics of the tourney variations with descriptions on the equipped moves, just wanna find a quick way to upload all of them.

Also Frost skins and mask in a bit.
 
DDustiNN

DDustiNN

MK11 Pocket Guide: Koming Soon to the App Store
LawAbidingCitizen said:
Do you have a link to that interview?


I know there are NPCs Sheeva is one. But Ed Boon said in a recent interview that there are secret unlocks in MK11. And with them being such a huge part of the story I don't see them not making it in. On top if that they made them separate characters and have thier in movesets and multiple skins. I'm pretty sure they are Unlockable or DLC but I'm hoping Unlockable so I don't have to wait a year to use my favorite character.
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I just finished watching it on my TV, but there are 2 threads just posted here about it.
 
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