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TrulyAmiracle

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
Jade pole vaunt cancel frames (1 def bar cost) (varies a lot depending on when you cancel it, these are fastest possible cancel)
4 PVC: -10 ob, +1 oh
b343 PVC: -14 ob, +3 oh
f34 PVC: -11 ob, +2 oh
12 PVC: -9 ob, knockdown oh
b1 PVC: -19 ob, +3 oh
f2 PVC: -10 ob, +15 oh
21 PVC: -18 ob, +2 oh

Liu Kang Shaolin Stance Cancel frames: (1 def bar cost), can't find a safe cancel sadly.
12 SSC: -22 ob, -9 oh
212 SSC: -26 ob, -8 oh
b2 SSC: -15 ob, -2 oh
f3 SSC: -26 ob, -13 oh
b3 SSC: -26 ob, -5 oh
f43 SSC: -23 ob, -3 oh
b12 SSC: -12 ob, -1 oh

Also dunno if this is known but Liu doesn't actually do the bicycle animation on whiff or block he just does the first hit and lands, -5 ob and its a high.
 
Circus

Circus

Part-Time Kano Hostage
TrulyAmiracle said:
Jade pole vaunt cancel frames (1 def bar cost) (varies a lot depending on when you cancel it, these are fastest possible cancel)
4 PVC: -10 ob, +1 oh
b343 PVC: -14 ob, +3 oh
f34 PVC: -11 ob, +2 oh
12 PVC: -9 ob, knockdown oh
b1 PVC: -19 ob, +3 oh
f2 PVC: -10 ob, +15 oh
21 PVC: -18 ob, +2 oh

Liu Kang Shaolin Stance Cancel frames: (1 def bar cost), can't find a safe cancel sadly.
12 SSC: -22 ob, -9 oh
212 SSC: -26 ob, -8 oh
b2 SSC: -15 ob, -2 oh
f3 SSC: -26 ob, -13 oh
b3 SSC: -26 ob, -5 oh
f43 SSC: -23 ob, -3 oh
b12 SSC: -12 ob, -1 oh

Also dunno if this is known but Liu doesn't actually do the bicycle animation on whiff or block he just does the first hit and lands, -5 ob and its a high.
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Could you do Kano's Vege-Mighty buff cancels next (Rotten Scoundrel)? He doesn't have many moves, it shouldn't take too long.

My bad for still bugging lol.
 
Wetdoba

Wetdoba

All too easy...
TrulyAmiracle said:
Oh good shit, didn't know about the preset page in customizing.

For reference
idk Why its gigantic but I put it in a spoiler.

You can choose from presets in the ability menu, the tourney presets have the trophy icon besides them.
Still sucks that I gotta do this for every variation before labbing but it's better than having to go and remember them.



It's headband, nunchuks and hand bracers.



You cannot. Won't allow you to MB the second one.




Comboing into portal is pretty tough in general coz it's slow af, but Noob is blessed with this anti air


Oh and for whoever asked about Jade's staffs, they all just change the green hue and look very same-y. They all green and don't change color with the skins, always green.
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Is that 4 hit noob string cancellable?
 
NothingPersonal

NothingPersonal

Are you not entertained!?
TrulyAmiracle said:
Ok, back home labbing stuff and I'll finish up everyone's missing frame data coz I'm too deep in at this point lol.

Kabal NDC frames: (ob=on block, oh= on hit)
f22 ndc: +1 ob, +4 oh
f2 ndc: +3 ob, +14 oh
f3 ndc: +8 ob, far launch oh
b1 ndc: +1 ob, +9 oh
b12 ndc: 0 ob, +15 oh
f4 ndc: +1 ob, +3 oh
22 ndc: -8 ob, +13 oh
11 ndc: -8 ob, +5 oh

Doing Liu stance cancels now
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Can you also do Jade's PVC's? (poll vault cancels :DOGE)
EDIT: you did that already, sorry :D
So Kabal still op with cancels.
 
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TheJaquio

TheJaquio

Noob
karaokelove said:
Kabal and Jacqui seem to be the only ones with usable cancels right now, unless I'm missing something.
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iirc Kano's vegemighty can be special canceled itself, so you can go for knife and be -7 or chemical burn to put up some distance (though it's super negative right now). Also, vegemighty gives his ball moves armor, so he gains the threat of an armored reversal if his opponent hits buttons on his negative frames.
 
RoboCop

RoboCop

The future of law enforcement.
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TheJaquio said:
iirc Kano's vegemighty can be special canceled itself, so you can go for knife and be -7 or chemical burn to put up some distance (though it's super negative right now). Also, vegemighty gives his ball moves armor, so he gains the threat of an armored reversal if his opponent hits buttons on his negative frames.
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@Circus I'm sure you were aware, but this is news to me!
 
TrulyAmiracle

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
For Liu, if people didn't catch it in the frames vid, his parry KB works on flawless block followups too, and he has gaps before some of his plus strings so if you read that they'll Flawless and u2 after you can parry KB them for 500+ damage.


ogrimtitan said:
Would you mind explaining what makes Sub seem strong to you? That’s not the most prevalent opinion I’ve heard.
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50/50 city, he felts very MKX-ish so always have to guess if he's on offense. air axe is like Kabal's for troll zoning, iceball being iceball makes zoning trades in his favor.
Idk he's very intuitive and everything works, the variation that removes slide and only has MB iceball can suck my nuts though. 2 specials havin ass variation, thinkin he Ice Guile smh.


Wetdoba said:
Is that 4 hit noob string cancellable?
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It's f2212 and no sadly. Wit the air hook special it was his best string but it's hard to utilize it without and that move isnt in either tourney variation...

Sonya hats coz they were actually worth recording

Liu outfits, didnt record the last one for spoiler reasons but if you really wanna see it I can post it separate. It's pretty sick tho

Liu intro/outro



Lao Erron Sub and Scorp frames in a bit, Phone is buggin out..
 
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