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JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
How are the Persona characters in BBTag?
It's the only series out of the bunch that I know, so I'm probably going to look at those characters first. I see a lot of Yu everywhere, but not much of any of the others.
To add on some info i found yesterday, the Persona characters use their persona with the medium attack aka B. Basically they have a build in assist which is nice....BUT here's the thing. If their persona gets attacked, the character loses 5% health. Just some bonus info I found :)

Yu is probably the best Persona character
Kanji is weird to fight. His normals are garbage, but his Persona and command throws make him a threat. Hell, he can drop from the sky and command throw you.

Yukiko....poor girl. She's probably the worst character not just from Persona, but the whole cast.
Yusuke (i think thats his name) is a BITCH to face! OMG! His keep away game is insane! He's like Vega on crack. Think about that....needless to say, hes good but most definitely not easy to use.

Chie is ok. Shes pretty weak and her normals are stubby as hell, but she does have an install where she powers up herself. It kinda leaves her open, so its best to perform that attack during a hard knockdown. But her combo potential is pretty good.

Aegis is DLC and probably the most unique from the Persona cast. Her zone game is good, good combo potential, and has a build in hover meter used to fly across the screen and mixups for overhead attacks. So shes pretty deadly but takes practice.

Naoto is also DLC. She's pretty good but not a good of a zoner as Aegis in my opinion. She's more of a setup character that can set up traps on ground and in air. She also uses the instant kill mechanic so there's some luck involved. However, if you land her air super, it puts a death mark on the opponent which will allow her to get an instant kill IF she lands her instant kill trap super.

Whoop there it is. Hope that helps.
 

Carl-L

Sub-Zero hater.
Just to second Tanno, the Persona characters are strong and almost all are played. Yukiko is considered the worst character in the game atm, but otherwise they are all quite good. Yu is thought to be one of the best, that's why you see so much of him.
Yeah I got that top tier vibe from Yu during the beta. All the protagonists seemed really strong actually, besides Ragna, but even then he still felt solid.
 

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
Is vatista good ? I bought standart edition of game and dont have dlcs . But from what ive seen on YT she looks amazing and zones .... and im much into zoning . Her with es or gordeau or hyde would make good team ? Cuz these char i like the most .
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
Is vatista good ? I bought standart edition of game and dont have dlcs . But from what ive seen on YT she looks amazing and zones .... and im much into zoning . Her with es or gordeau or hyde would make good team ? Cuz these char i like the most .
Vatista main here :D

And she's fucking AMAZING! Not only is she one, IF NOT THEE BEST, zoner in the game, she has GREAT combo potential up close. You can play her as a keep away and an upclose fighter. THATS the mix up when you change strategies in mid match. Her assists are pretty good. Overally, Id say through discovery, she's one of the greater characters in the game.

Es and Vatista is actually a good team. Vatista is WORTH buying, for sure!
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
who do you use with vatista ?
Carmine :)

They're a weird team that oddly works beautifully together. Ive actually came across about .....Hmmmm....*thinks*....about 4 teams online, so that combination is very rare. And thats EXACTLY how I like it ;)

Check a on the previous page. I posted a video of my how i operate my team.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
?Question? for you guys. Who are the characters you hate the most fighting online ?Question mark?

My Public Enemies
Hakumen - Not only does his magnetic circle nullifies projectiles, but it actually hits! His fucking counters are RIDICULOUS! He can even counter THROWS! A bit OP.

Tager - I just hate fighting Iron shit head lol. Armor Armor ARMOR! Ugh! Even low attacks don't get through his 5B, unless im mistaken, please tell me.

Noel - I have no idea how to fight this bitch besides zone her out. Shes just broken as fuck and have no idea how she dodges and attacks in succession. If anybody can give me some info on this chick, please.

Personally, those are my worst matchups regardless of who I use, because they're the most difficult for me to face. Once i figure them out tho, then its ovah, but that shit is a science project more than any character lol
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Cool, What made you switch to Yang?
Chie has weird special cancel into special. And her 236BBB (I think) sends her to the other side. And she has some whiff issues with her A autocombo. She's kind of weak compared to the rest. And her air special is nothing like Piccolo's. What's worse, if you hit her Persona, you deal some kind of damage.

Saw Yang's gameplay and felt in love with her. She has the fastest air fireball (2369A/B/C) in the whole game. She has some kind of setup. She got armor guard at her 236AAA. She got the air zoning that will help with some matches, like Blake's.

If you compare both girls, Yang got the strongest cross combo with Makoto. 12+ with Yang, and 10k+ with Chie.
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
?Question? for you guys. Who are the characters you hate the most fighting online ?Question mark?

My Public Enemies
Hakumen - Not only does his magnetic circle nullifies projectiles, but it actually hits! His fucking counters are RIDICULOUS! He can even counter THROWS! A bit OP.

Tager - I just hate fighting Iron shit head lol. Armor Armor ARMOR! Ugh! Even low attacks don't get through his 5B, unless im mistaken, please tell me.

Noel - I have no idea how to fight this bitch besides zone her out. Shes just broken as fuck and have no idea how she dodges and attacks in succession. If anybody can give me some info on this chick, please.

Personally, those are my worst matchups regardless of who I use, because they're the most difficult for me to face. Once i figure them out tho, then its ovah, but that shit is a science project more than any character lol
Some tips against them:

Tager: He has a lot of issues. Just zone him out patiently, or keep jumping. His grappling stuff has a weakness. If he tries to grab you, just backdash. He has a shit ton of recovery frames with his grappling specials, so look for this chance to attack. The moment he tries to pull you in, just try to hit low, or mash the fastest attack in air. Just try to NOT jump, when he does air pull-in. Just go below him, and AA him. When you wake up, no matter what - BACK DASH - to avoid his grappling OKI.

Noel: This chick is fast like Taokaka, my cat waifu, BUT she has some gaps between her pressures. If you see her reloading Bolverk (her weapons), use this chance to get out of corner, or to attack. If you see a similar gap like that, do so. Otherwise, pray for your life.

I still don't know how to deal against Hakumen, because he's like Susano'o. A ballbreaking pressure monster.

Have been playing with some very good players and coached me about those chars' MU XP in BBCF. Since Arcsys copy-pasted those chars from BBCF into BBTAG, I wouldn't be surprised as to how they would be played since then.

As Makoto and Yang, I hate those sword characters. Their long range prevent me from getting close to those fellas. I already have nightmares from Yu/Es team.
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
@Tanno BOOM! Found it! Warning...i got my ass KICKED! LOL

This one isn't an infinite. Even I do this basic combo.

It's 5AAA, B22, 214AAB, 5AA...

If I wanted, I could end this combo with super or with Astral Heat.

You should block/guard reject that one. And I know plenty of ways to get close to you. This dude did get close to you with 214AA. Makoto is a rushdown girl, so use Vatista to zone her and stay away from her.

If you respect her 214AA (low shadow clone), he might try to advance her with 214B (mid shadow clone) to jump to the other side with her assist still attacking you, or doing the 214BB to punch you from above.

This guy was trying to get close to you, because he knew about those chars you use. If he stood away, he'd get zoned as hard as fuck.

I noticed that he used Weiss as assist. He could use her to summon the ice projectile, so that Makoto could cover herself, while advancing.
 
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EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Is vatista good ? I bought standart edition of game and dont have dlcs . But from what ive seen on YT she looks amazing and zones .... and im much into zoning . Her with es or gordeau or hyde would make good team ? Cuz these char i like the most .
To second Jbeezy, shes very very strong. Vatista/Es is an incredible team as well. Like threat-to-anyone strong. I dont main Vatista, but I do play her, as she's one of my "I cant friggen decide" characters. She's a stroonnng zoner with some fun stuff. Her assists are good, and she makes use of a wide variety of assists herself, so chances are good anyone you pair her with will have at least some synergy. She's also a powerful control character, she can really lock the pace down and slow a match if she wants and her neutral control is very strong. Her being a UNIEL character also means she can reverse-beat (let me know if you arent sure what this is) so her stagger, poke and blockstring game is stronger than a lot of characters. She's not a mix character though.. Of course, everyone *has* mix in BBTag, but she isnt particularly strong in this regard. If you're interested, @ me and I'll record a couple quick vids showing her zoning and projectile potential with TK orbs and such.

I main Es. Es can zone with her projectiles to some degree, and her normals are batshit. She can use her Crescent Arts moves (the ones where the sword leaves a trail behind that after a moment pops, hitting again) to control a lot of the space around her, while firing off projectiles. She's not a dedicated zoner, but more of a control (neutral, space and pace) and mix character, with enormous damage. Really though, she's sort of like BBTag's own version of Cell (she's not the only character that warrants that comparison though), as she does absolutely everything. She has strong oki with her J.C stuff, and she can pressure extremely well. She does absolutely everything. I personally think she's in the running for best character in the game right now. People make the mistake of thinking her mix is her 214.A and B moves, but she's a lot more nuanced and a lot safer on her mix than using those moves exclusively. She can instant OH and combo via assist from a range *no one* see's coming.. Her assists are excellent and she's not *toooo* picky on what assists she wants/can make use of.

Additional character to consider - Rachel. Have you looked in to her? If you like zoning.. mmaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. You were a Deadshot main right? She has some similarities to Deadshot. I know you wouldnt think that, but she has a similar zoning style, where you're putting a lot of projectiles on the screen and trying to bullet-hell the opponent, and when you are in close and personal, Rachel has a *very* strong 50/50, pressure and stagger game. Additionally she's a trap and setup character on top of it all. She has relatively low combo damage, but its not pathetically low. Again, if interested, let me know and I'll make a video for you.

Hyde and Gord will pair up just fine with Vatista. Hyde in particular is extremely strong. Gord is as well of course, but honestly, he's a diminishing returns type character. He will just mow down opponents who dont know how to deal with him, but vs really solid players he's still totally viable, but he's not as solid as Hyde or Es would be, imo. He is still really strong, and really nasty - but I feel like he's (just speaking in generalities) more of an A tier character vs the S tier of Es and probably Hyde. I'll be honest though, I dont know a lot about Hyde myself. I'm calling him super strong because that's what Ive heard from several sources, but I dont have personal knowledge of that.

@JBeezYBabY Ok, I need to apologize and make a retraction about something I said in my recommendations post after watching your sets. I criticized your use of Vatista's lasers, and Ive come to realize that I was partially wrong. Some of what I said, I still stand by regarding orbs being strong tools and lasers being dangerous, BUT, depending on the MU, it's actually a lot safer than I realized to use them from halfscreen + range, and they are a stronger 'just do it' zoning tool than I gave them credit for.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
@Tanno BOOM! Found it! Warning...i got my ass KICKED! LOL


I know Tanno already shot you some advice, but a couple small things,

That combo is nothing special, def not an infinite, it's just one of her BnBs, it just has a semi-looping section. I may be wrong on this, but I think it's possible (but very difficult) to loop one or more of the sections again and get something close to 9k with a bar or two. Dont take that as gospel, I just know she has a midscreen loop of somekind that does close to 9k.

We only got a tiny sample size, but try to remember that a against a player who knows how to play vs zoning, isnt awful and knows how to occasionally hit back to block, you have to earn you right to zone in a game like BBTag. You were using lasers way too close to Makoto and basically inviting him in. Some of it was not knowing what Makoto can do, like how her charged cr.C caused your DP to whiff for instance, if you dont know she can do that at some ranges and situations then obv that's not your fault for getting tagged.. But when you dont have the whole screen, are vs a player who knows what they're doing and are trying to earn your right to zone, remember that Vatista has really nice A normals, and again, remember your orbs. You can check Makoto running up like that with 2/5A MUCH more safely than throwing out a DP or shooting a laser so closely. *BE CAREFUL ABOUT USING THIS BUT ITS SUPER STRONG DONE RIGHT*, your reverse beat lets you stagger your 5A, which makes the space right in front of you, a lot more dangerous to step in to. Remember to use backward IADs as well to gain space quickly, these often give you an excellent opportunity to put an orb on screen, which is going to hold the ground approach effectively for a bit. You can make a read on his jump and try to punish accordingly, or you can use the time to get more orbs out, or whatever.

Just some thoughts. I dunno what the rest of the set looked like, for all I know you beat him every round after that, so sorry if Im talking out of my ass, just trying to help.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
To second Jbeezy, shes very very strong. Vatista/Es is an incredible team as well. Like threat-to-anyone strong. I dont main Vatista, but I do play her, as she's one of my "I cant friggen decide" characters. She's a stroonnng zoner with some fun stuff. Her assists are good, and she makes use of a wide variety of assists herself, so chances are good anyone you pair her with will have at least some synergy. She's also a powerful control character, she can really lock the pace down and slow a match if she wants and her neutral control is very strong. Her being a UNIEL character also means she can reverse-beat (let me know if you arent sure what this is) so her stagger, poke and blockstring game is stronger than a lot of characters. She's not a mix character though.. Of course, everyone *has* mix in BBTag, but she isnt particularly strong in this regard. If you're interested, @ me and I'll record a couple quick vids showing her zoning and projectile potential with TK orbs and such.

I main Es. Es can zone with her projectiles to some degree, and her normals are batshit. She can use her Crescent Arts moves (the ones where the sword leaves a trail behind that after a moment pops, hitting again) to control a lot of the space around her, while firing off projectiles. She's not a dedicated zoner, but more of a control (neutral, space and pace) and mix character, with enormous damage. Really though, she's sort of like BBTag's own version of Cell (she's not the only character that warrants that comparison though), as she does absolutely everything. She has strong oki with her J.C stuff, and she can pressure extremely well. She does absolutely everything. I personally think she's in the running for best character in the game right now. People make the mistake of thinking her mix is her 214.A and B moves, but she's a lot more nuanced and a lot safer on her mix than using those moves exclusively. She can instant OH and combo via assist from a range *no one* see's coming.. Her assists are excellent and she's not *toooo* picky on what assists she wants/can make use of.

Additional character to consider - Rachel. Have you looked in to her? If you like zoning.. mmaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. You were a Deadshot main right? She has some similarities to Deadshot. I know you wouldnt think that, but she has a similar zoning style, where you're putting a lot of projectiles on the screen and trying to bullet-hell the opponent, and when you are in close and personal, Rachel has a *very* strong 50/50, pressure and stagger game. Additionally she's a trap and setup character on top of it all. She has relatively low combo damage, but its not pathetically low. Again, if interested, let me know and I'll make a video for you.

Hyde and Gord will pair up just fine with Vatista. Hyde in particular is extremely strong. Gord is as well of course, but honestly, he's a diminishing returns type character. He will just mow down opponents who dont know how to deal with him, but vs really solid players he's still totally viable, but he's not as solid as Hyde or Es would be, imo. He is still really strong, and really nasty - but I feel like he's (just speaking in generalities) more of an A tier character vs the S tier of Es and probably Hyde. I'll be honest though, I dont know a lot about Hyde myself. I'm calling him super strong because that's what Ive heard from several sources, but I dont have personal knowledge of that.

@JBeezYBabY Ok, I need to apologize and make a retraction about something I said in my recommendations post after watching your sets. I criticized your use of Vatista's lasers, and Ive come to realize that I was partially wrong. Some of what I said, I still stand by regarding orbs being strong tools and lasers being dangerous, BUT, depending on the MU, it's actually a lot safer than I realized to use them from halfscreen + range, and they are a stronger 'just do it' zoning tool than I gave them credit for.
Oh ive learned to mix those up :) I looked into what you said, did some research, and had NO IDEA you can pull off multiple balls on the screen! Thats some type of fuckery I like ;)

I learned to NOT feel bad abusing my character's strengths. So if that frustrates my opponent, good. Thats the game plan and it mostly works ;)

However, I need to find a balance of auto pilot spamming to actually reading my opponent's next move. Because her lazers are still negative which can cause my opponent to jump in on me. I'm taking notes as i go but getting happier of my results and the conhesiveness of my team.
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Oh ive learned to mix those up :) I looked into what you said, did some research, and had NO IDEA you can pull off multiple balls on the screen! Thats some type of fuckery I like ;)

I learned to NOT feel bad abusing my character's strengths. So if that frustrates my opponent, good. Thats the game plan and it mostly works ;)

However, I need to find a balance of auto pilot spamming to actually reading my opponent's next move. Because her lazers are still negative which can cause my opponent to jump in on me. I'm taking notes as i go but getting happier of my results and the conhesiveness of my team.
Be careful on how you abuse them. They might respect them and strategize accordingly. Recently, I learned in BBCF to be patient and hold my distance between Tao VS Tager, as to not let him grab me. Same goes with the zoning.
 

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
To second Jbeezy, shes very very strong. Vatista/Es is an incredible team as well. Like threat-to-anyone strong. I dont main Vatista, but I do play her, as she's one of my "I cant friggen decide" characters. She's a stroonnng zoner with some fun stuff. Her assists are good, and she makes use of a wide variety of assists herself, so chances are good anyone you pair her with will have at least some synergy. She's also a powerful control character, she can really lock the pace down and slow a match if she wants and her neutral control is very strong. Her being a UNIEL character also means she can reverse-beat (let me know if you arent sure what this is) so her stagger, poke and blockstring game is stronger than a lot of characters. She's not a mix character though.. Of course, everyone *has* mix in BBTag, but she isnt particularly strong in this regard. If you're interested, @ me and I'll record a couple quick vids showing her zoning and projectile potential with TK orbs and such.

I main Es. Es can zone with her projectiles to some degree, and her normals are batshit. She can use her Crescent Arts moves (the ones where the sword leaves a trail behind that after a moment pops, hitting again) to control a lot of the space around her, while firing off projectiles. She's not a dedicated zoner, but more of a control (neutral, space and pace) and mix character, with enormous damage. Really though, she's sort of like BBTag's own version of Cell (she's not the only character that warrants that comparison though), as she does absolutely everything. She has strong oki with her J.C stuff, and she can pressure extremely well. She does absolutely everything. I personally think she's in the running for best character in the game right now. People make the mistake of thinking her mix is her 214.A and B moves, but she's a lot more nuanced and a lot safer on her mix than using those moves exclusively. She can instant OH and combo via assist from a range *no one* see's coming.. Her assists are excellent and she's not *toooo* picky on what assists she wants/can make use of.

Additional character to consider - Rachel. Have you looked in to her? If you like zoning.. mmaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. You were a Deadshot main right? She has some similarities to Deadshot. I know you wouldnt think that, but she has a similar zoning style, where you're putting a lot of projectiles on the screen and trying to bullet-hell the opponent, and when you are in close and personal, Rachel has a *very* strong 50/50, pressure and stagger game. Additionally she's a trap and setup character on top of it all. She has relatively low combo damage, but its not pathetically low. Again, if interested, let me know and I'll make a video for you.

Hyde and Gord will pair up just fine with Vatista. Hyde in particular is extremely strong. Gord is as well of course, but honestly, he's a diminishing returns type character. He will just mow down opponents who dont know how to deal with him, but vs really solid players he's still totally viable, but he's not as solid as Hyde or Es would be, imo. He is still really strong, and really nasty - but I feel like he's (just speaking in generalities) more of an A tier character vs the S tier of Es and probably Hyde. I'll be honest though, I dont know a lot about Hyde myself. I'm calling him super strong because that's what Ive heard from several sources, but I dont have personal knowledge of that.

@JBeezYBabY Ok, I need to apologize and make a retraction about something I said in my recommendations post after watching your sets. I criticized your use of Vatista's lasers, and Ive come to realize that I was partially wrong. Some of what I said, I still stand by regarding orbs being strong tools and lasers being dangerous, BUT, depending on the MU, it's actually a lot safer than I realized to use them from halfscreen + range, and they are a stronger 'just do it' zoning tool than I gave them credit for.
thx for all the info man . Yeah I mained deadshot pre patch but now from a long time I main red hood and atom and they are a lot more fun to play . Zoning with rh mines ftw . Im pretty good at it . Now looking back deadshot was boring .

As for Rachel , well she looks hard to play and complicated , honestly i dont see any deadshot similarities lol I dont know man , hyde have zoning potential too and good chip dmg with sword normals . With gord I love his space control and ofc grim reaper special lol Since all chars I like can reverse beat ( yeah i know what it means ) es seems strange cuz she cant do it lol Its like playing adult gohan in lvl 7 xD I bought vatisa and loving her . In this dlc pack 3 there was also some police guy who looks strong with his gun zoning ^^ Man this is first game where I like so much characters .
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
Be careful on how you abuse them. They might respect them and strategize accordingly. Recently, I learned in BBCF to be patient and hold my distance between Tao VS Tager, as to not let him grab me. Same goes with the zoning.
RIghteous. Which is why im learning more patience and balance of her tools, especially against my tough match ups. For instance, I bested a set against a pink squared Tager last night! I took y'alls advices, became more patient in my approach, and beat that ass to the point where i could even smell fear. It was a GOOOOOOD feeling! EDT it was a RIGHTEOUS feeling. For that, i thank y'alls critiques :)
 

TamedLizard

Buff George
Yeah in my experience Vat lasers are more for reactionary zoning than proactive zoning. Orb is easier to react to, but sefety goes a long way in MUs vs the game's neutral monsters.

Side note, I really need to sit down and work out at least one cross combo sandwich sequence for pressure/mixups. Only thing that's really lacking in my play atm. Rachel mixups put in so much work though that I haven't bothered lol.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous