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EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Online assholishness is getting worse as time goes by.

It's interesting because I think it goes far deeper than a lot of people think, and is in part fueled by the real world we all inhabit. It's part of a general discontent and disappointment that stems from various societal sources.

It's also acceptable behavior. It's so common, and even DEFENDED, that it's become easier and easier to just let your emotions and thoughts run wild with none of the checks and balances required in an environment where actions have consequences.

It's pathetic actually, and it's weak, and it's small.

Getting angry or emotional is fine.. but being a piece of filth simply because online let's you get away with it.. thats just cowardice.
 

Hiyomoto

Noob
Discussions like this make me believe y’all have not been using the internet that long. You’ll find toxicity anywhere on the internet, you just had to weed out the people who have the same intentions as you. You gotta remember people are prone to insult you online when they know you can’t see their face, it’s that anonymity making them feel powerful.
 
Oh like barely played it at all. Don't think I even played any ranked. This was years ago. I don't like going into ranked into games until I feel like I've mastered almost all the aspects of the game/character I'm playing.

And yea I know you can build your APM by just doing button clicks on things that can't built and whatnot but still, they get like crazy numbers if you don't include those. Just the amount of macro going on is insane

Took me 4 weeks to take my Liu Kang into ranked lol
Ah, yeah, I never jump into Ranked right away either. For StarCraft II Versus, I started with Versus AI, and then when I was comfortably beating the Harder AI and doing alright against Very Hard, I started playing Unranked. I then moved on to Ranked months later.

Oh yeah, StarCraft II is without question a macro game! Sadly, I'm much stronger at micro, which is why my favourite RTS of all time is Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. It's a micro RTS with RPG elements.
 
God Confirm,

That type of behavior from the MOBA video just shouldn't be tolerated. If I ran into that type of behavior online in game, I'd probably just quit immediately, block them, and report them. Your time is valuable and should never be wasted on trash like that.

That's basically my philosophy on dealing with negative players. Being married and having a full time job I have little enough time to play as is, no sense wasting it.
Yeah, I make full use of reporting tools as well. While I'm not married, I am an adult with a really time consuming career, so my gaming time is also at a premium and I don't want to waste it dealing with such juvenile behaviour.

Back in my Xbox LIVE days, any player that was simply unpleasant I would mark as "Avoid," but anyone who actually violated the Terms of Use or Code of Conduct I would absolutely block and report. Those tools exist for a reason and I'll let the system handle them. I'm not going to defend or let slide such behaviour, nor will I obsess over it though.

I've also had excellent experiences in RTS communities. I've played hundreds of StarCraft II Versus matches, Ranked and Unranked, and I've only had maybe four-ish bad mannered opponents in all that time. Even on the official forums, most of the people I've discussed things with have been very good/civil.

I rarely play team games (and certainly very rarely publicly) simply because I do find those kinds of communities to be the worst. No one playing as an actual team, everyone blaming one another, why would I want to waste m time with that? The only MOBA I play occasionally is Heroes of the Storm, and I typically do so with friends and we simply play Versus AI to enjoy and relax.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
This is also why Iv been leaning more towards signal player games lately. I don’t have a lot of time to play, I’m only 18 and unmarried but I am going to school full time and then working when I’m not at school in order to afford my education, plus a girlfriend and my grandparents are becoming increasingly more reliant on me and of course I’m happy to help them in any way I can, but I can only play like 3-6 hours a week of games if I’m lucky. So A) I don’t have a lot of time to get really good and be competitive in a fighting game and B) I know I won’t have to deal with fucknuts in god of war.
 

Wigy

There it is...
This is also why Iv been leaning more towards signal player games lately. I don’t have a lot of time to play, I’m only 18 and unmarried but I am going to school full time and then working when I’m not at school in order to afford my education, plus a girlfriend and my grandparents are becoming increasingly more reliant on me and of course I’m happy to help them in any way I can, but I can only play like 3-6 hours a week of games if I’m lucky. So A) I don’t have a lot of time to get really good and be competitive in a fighting game and B) I know I won’t have to deal with fucknuts in god of war.
Dat biography tho.
 
This is also why Iv been leaning more towards signal player games lately. I don’t have a lot of time to play, I’m only 18 and unmarried but I am going to school full time and then working when I’m not at school in order to afford my education, plus a girlfriend and my grandparents are becoming increasingly more reliant on me and of course I’m happy to help them in any way I can, but I can only play like 3-6 hours a week of games if I’m lucky. So A) I don’t have a lot of time to get really good and be competitive in a fighting game and B) I know I won’t have to deal with fucknuts in god of war.
Dude, kudos to you for being so very responsible. Seriously, that kind of mindset will help you do very, very well in life.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
It's really hard to tell the difference between something that is OP or just that I'm doing the wrong strat to counter it at that sort of level
It's neither. You just aren't building enough units.

Macro alone can carry you to at least Platinum. Even there you will won't need to do much else to grow into Diamond.


Also there is Grandmaster's with ~100 APM. It's not vital to success. And the thing is, APM comes as you know what you want to be doing, not the other way around. Building your speed doesn't unlock new play, it's more that you play enough and you know exactly what you need to do and can do it faster and more efficiently, and you learn where you are wasting time and how to correct it.
 

Cursa

Counterpoke with armoured DB2 at all times.
Do you actually play RTS's? They have incredibly friendly communities. Even the largest ones still get the nicest guys ever. And I've played fighters for years and the closest thing I got to a hate mail is some guy calling my Cyborg a "counterpick".

Mobas on the other hand are downright easy in comparison to both, the mechanical skill requirement is not there, and yet it's the worst communities in the world.

Your theory is bunk, and if I was to make one my own, it would be that teamplay has a bigger correlation with asshole behavior than execution.
It varies from experience to experience. I've been BM'd in RTS' when I used to play them.

In terms of MOBA's, the execution is quite easy yes, but back when I played SMITE I would always get BM'd as Support for not doing my job. Jungler would always get the same issue. People expecting you to be helping your lane when you're actually doing something else that is more important, or you come help them when they get ganked and they complain that they're taking your XP. Things like timing enemy buff spawns, rotating at correct times, backing at correct times, always pretty tricky things to manage as a support, at least for SMITE. Not as hard as the other two I mentioned but people still get salty over it because I am in the "wrong place" at the wrong time.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
It varies from experience to experience. I've been BM'd in RTS' when I used to play them.

In terms of MOBA's, the execution is quite easy yes, but back when I played SMITE I would always get BM'd as Support for not doing my job. Jungler would always get the same issue. People expecting you to be helping your lane when you're actually doing something else that is more important, or you come help them when they get ganked and they complain that they're taking your XP. Things like timing enemy buff spawns, rotating at correct times, backing at correct times, always pretty tricky things to manage as a support, at least for SMITE. Not as hard as the other two I mentioned but people still get salty over it because I am in the "wrong place" at the wrong time.
But those are not difficult games mechanically. Every multi-player game is only as hard as your opponent strategically. But Overwatch for example is easy as hell mechanically. Yet the communitys for the difficult games like fighters and RTS are so much friendlier than these games. Im basically repeating what I just said because your theory is way off I think team play and something else, time commitment, much more relevant factors to dickish behavior. The difference in community of Heroes of the Storm (15 minute games) to Dota (1hr long games) cannot be understated. The shittiness I've seen in 40k (hrs for a game) as compared to the little I've seen in mtg (half an hour - less how I play) is unmissable. Fighters are like a few minutes a match. Even I find myself get noticeably less irritated in Guilty Gear where the matches go by in a snap, as compared to an NRS where the combos are long as hell, slow, a bunch of cutescenes and other cute stuff that drags out a game.

I think every game is hard if your against an opponent of equal skill, and I think that is the least relevant factor towards how cancerous a community gets.