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Question Do you guys feel that MKX is the hardest fighting game to date?

Cursa

Counterpoke with armoured DB2 at all times.
To be fair the user's OP wasn't at all speaking about execution -- we've gone way down the execution rabbit hole, but that's not what he meant; he was talking about meta and gameplay considerations :cool:

For the record, I still don't think he's correct, but this discussion isn't about what game has the hardest controller inputs for a given move or combo.
I don't think you can call a game the hardest of it's genre if you don't take into account the difficulty of actually doing things in the game. Not saying it's the "Be all, end all" factor, but it's a factor nonetheless.

The OP wasn't exactly specific either. Looking back on it I understand it, but context makes everything seem like that, since I've read the other 5 pages.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
To be fair the user's OP wasn't at all speaking about execution -- we've gone way down the execution rabbit hole, but that's not what he meant; he was talking about meta and gameplay considerations :cool:

For the record, I still don't think he's correct, but this discussion isn't about what game has the hardest controller inputs for a given move or combo.
Op made statements about execution talking about raiden corner combos and how he can do the hardest tekken combos.


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CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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Op made statements about execution talking about raiden corner combos and how he can do the hardest tekken combos.


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But his main point was clearly about the meta (corner game, mixups, etc). Which I don’t agree with, but it was largely the premise of this thread.
 
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Marlow

Premium Supporter
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From a technical standpoint, considering things like movement, execution, sub-systems within the game, and stuff like that, I'd rank it as Tekken, MKX, and then SFV.

From a player base side, taking into account the difficulty to play or compete at a high level in the game, I'd rank it as SFV, Tekken, and then MKX.

I also don't think a game's difficulty reveals anything about either the game or the player who plays the game.
 

Deep33

Noob
Alrite, let's look at some setups…


Here’s one for Cyrax (
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Here’s one for MoS (
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Oh yeah,, and what’s a special move in Tekken, what’s a setup in Tekken,,ummm, no just a lotta gas. Just stand around and punch boys. There’s a lotta watered down boring sht strings in wait for ya. Nothing unique, nothing special, nothing creative, nothing thought provoking, but, a buncha soul-less, characterless, superficial characters. A lotta them with a lotta watered down cop out moves and no tutorial...oh and that’s how they made it difficult for ya! LOL

In all seriousness, after 15 years in the Japanese FG world and laughing off NRS. I have to say that NRS hit wayyyy above the mark with MKX fellas. Gotta give credit when its due. And no, i’m not biased cos’ I was born in Chicago. I’ve been living in another state for the past 22 years, but, after MKX, its a whole lotta hometown pride boys.

But, I do give you this, I do love playing in the Tekken 7 special olympics world when i’m drunk like a skunk and my reflexes are impaired. When my reflexes are normal, I prefer to stay with MKX and Melee.
 

Cursa

Counterpoke with armoured DB2 at all times.
Alrite, let's look at some setups…


Here’s one for Cyrax (
)

Here’s one for MoS (
)


Oh yeah,, and what’s a special move in Tekken, what’s a setup in Tekken,,ummm, no just a lotta gas. Just stand around and punch boys. There’s a lotta watered down boring sht strings in wait for ya. Nothing unique, nothing special, nothing creative, nothing thought provoking, but, a buncha soul-less, characterless, superficial characters. A lotta them with a lotta watered down cop out moves and no tutorial...oh and that’s how they made it difficult for ya! LOL

In all seriousness, after 15 years in the Japanese FG world and laughing off NRS. I have to say that NRS hit wayyyy above the mark with MKX fellas. Gotta give credit when its due. And no, i’m not biased cos’ I was born in Chicago. I’ve been living in another state for the past 22 years, but, after MKX, its a whole lotta hometown pride boys.

But, I do give you this, I do love playing in the Tekken 7 special olympics world when i’m drunk like a skunk and my reflexes are impaired. When my reflexes are normal, I prefer to stay with MKX and Melee.
Genuine, serious question; do you compete as a Tekken 7 player?

Like it's a serious question because I'm just assuming at this point you are if it's this easy. No disrespek
 
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xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
Alrite, let's look at some setups…


Here’s one for Cyrax (
)

Here’s one for MoS (
)


Oh yeah,, and what’s a special move in Tekken, what’s a setup in Tekken,,ummm, no just a lotta gas. Just stand around and punch boys. There’s a lotta watered down boring sht strings in wait for ya. Nothing unique, nothing special, nothing creative, nothing thought provoking, but, a buncha soul-less, characterless, superficial characters. A lotta them with a lotta watered down cop out moves and no tutorial...oh and that’s how they made it difficult for ya! LOL

In all seriousness, after 15 years in the Japanese FG world and laughing off NRS. I have to say that NRS hit wayyyy above the mark with MKX fellas. Gotta give credit when its due. And no, i’m not biased cos’ I was born in Chicago. I’ve been living in another state for the past 22 years, but, after MKX, its a whole lotta hometown pride boys.

But, I do give you this, I do love playing in the Tekken 7 special olympics world when i’m drunk like a skunk and my reflexes are impaired. When my reflexes are normal, I prefer to stay with MKX and Melee.
Lol are you seriously saying MKX is harder than Tekken?
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Difficult Execution in MKX you ask eh?


Try the corner combo at 0.15 in this link below. Let me know when you can get it 10/10
F12B2 RC F12B2 RC F12B2 RC F12B2

Or try the one at 1.17, let me know how it goes. Those triple VB cancels are simply piece of cake for the Tekken bros on here? Let me know Tekken bros. On the same note, point me to what you think is the hardest Tekken combo. I'll see if i can get it down in under an hour.
Lol you do know lilmajin is a tekken player.


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RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
Alrite, let's look at some setups…


Here’s one for Cyrax (
)

Here’s one for MoS (
)


Oh yeah,, and what’s a special move in Tekken, what’s a setup in Tekken,,ummm, no just a lotta gas. Just stand around and punch boys. There’s a lotta watered down boring sht strings in wait for ya. Nothing unique, nothing special, nothing creative, nothing thought provoking, but, a buncha soul-less, characterless, superficial characters. A lotta them with a lotta watered down cop out moves and no tutorial...oh and that’s how they made it difficult for ya! LOL

In all seriousness, after 15 years in the Japanese FG world and laughing off NRS. I have to say that NRS hit wayyyy above the mark with MKX fellas. Gotta give credit when its due. And no, i’m not biased cos’ I was born in Chicago. I’ve been living in another state for the past 22 years, but, after MKX, its a whole lotta hometown pride boys.

But, I do give you this, I do love playing in the Tekken 7 special olympics world when i’m drunk like a skunk and my reflexes are impaired. When my reflexes are normal, I prefer to stay with MKX and Melee.
you're so uneducated its obv mkx is your first fighting game.. Tekken has special moves and command grabs / also setups on oki etc.. iono what you're talkin about
 

xInfra Deadx

Gimmick stolen by Jordan Peele
Ugh. Look up Mishima wave dashing, wave dashing in general and Korean backdashing, then get back at me with your verbal diarrhea.
 

Aramonde

Noob
Tekken 7, VF5, GGXrd, BB are harder than MKX imo. For me just learning how to move around in Tekken is a fucking pain in the ass lol.

Sometimes what games people start out in can make a difference in what they think is harder. @Deep33 what games did you start out in? Do you play high level in both 2D & 3D fighters now?
 

Cursa

Counterpoke with armoured DB2 at all times.
I played in Tekken 6 tournys, 2013 and 2014
Why not now if it's as easy as you claim it to be? Obviously life and stuff gets in the way, I understand that pretty well if that's the case.

I'm going with the fact that you're probably the exception and not the rule, which is good for you.
 

Deep33

Noob
Tekken 7, VF5, GGXrd, BB are harder than MKX imo. For me just learning how to move around in Tekken is a fucking pain in the ass lol.

Sometimes what games people start out in can make a difference in what they think is harder. @Deep33 what games did you start out in? Do you play high level in both 2D & 3D fighters now?
I started with Melee, have a decade+ experience with it and have competed before I haven't recently played it because i switched to a Smashbox Controller and am having to relearn in from scratch. I played SF!V and Tekken 6 competitively for ~4 years (between 2010 and 2014). MKX is my first real NRS game.
 

Rabbit

thugs bunny
I started with Melee, have a decade+ experience with it and have competed before I haven't recently played it because i switched to a Smashbox Controller and am having to relearn in from scratch. I played SF!V and Tekken 6 competitively for ~4 years (between 2010 and 2014). MKX is my first real NRS game.
videos?
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
You think a DP input or a 3/4 circle motion is anywhere near Hellfire having 3 frame link + a run cancel at the same time in his BnBs? Dvorah having a tight as hell run cancel link her low starter? Cassies flip into run 212 link? Hell Jacqui had some run cancels so hard we didn't really see anyone who could do them consistently. Those motions you talk about are just individual inputs not hard execution, and the worst that SF has is matched easily by the god awful DBF grapple input NRS uses, especially when trying to do shit like D12 cancel into it with Jax, and not to mention trying to cancel some moves into LK bicycle kick, Kung Lao's 11212 string, Jacqui's Stanky Leg, insta air specials etc. To put charged inputs on that level is not even close, and I played Bison and Chun Li. You might just be finding this stuff harder because you are more used to playing NRS games. The things you mention are not difficult, what you mention is not even the harder stuff in SFV tbh

lol i did all those things in mkx playing characters in nrs games is free af. the only thing actually retarded to land you didnt even mention, was jaxs last hit of his comand grab input. the fact that you have to have hitconfirms in sfv alone instead of dialing in safe strings to your +50 mb special launcher already makes sfv too hard for nrs players



i guarantee you could never in your life pull off charge partition stuff like dash forward > sonicboom xx CA link with Guile or urien headbutt loops

I guarantee most nrs players couldnt even do piano specials consistently to save their life

dial a combo stuff is babymode, period as far as exection goes in fgs. its up there with autocombos. nrs is only hard to play because the game holds you back, like with the buffer system, clunky movement, and 20f aas etc
 
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God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
lol i did all those things in mkx playing characters in nrs games is free af. the only thing actually (soap bar in my mouth) to land you didnt even mention, was jaxs last hit of his comand grab input. the fact that you have to have hitconfirms in sfv alone instead of dialing in safe strings to your +50 mb special launcher already makes sfv too hard for nrs players




I guarantee most nrs players couldnt even do piano specials consistently to save their life

dial a combo stuff is babymode, period. nrs is only hard to play because the game holds you back, like with the buffer system and clunky movement
bruh







lol at measuring dick size on execution to begin with. My main is venom from guilty gear so you already lost hard at your own shitposting. Or do you genuinely think SFV guile is harder? lmaoo cute.



But its Shazzy, so I think we know you're just butthurt cause I called SFV for what it is, easy as hell :(
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
who cares about anime games. congrats, you waste time practicing hard combos in games nobody even plays youre so cool bro.

the point is, on the topic of execution, something as simple as a combo not being dialed in is too hard for nrs players.

this guy tweedy over here once told me he was whiff canceling or some shit in sfv doing lk xx tatsu with ryu. but he was just inputting the special cancel so late that lk recovered so he was just doing raw tatsu lol. lights in sf dont have 30 frames of recovery, sorry bro


lots of them are this way. I saw post of a guy struggling to do 2 lights into a special or i know toptierharley, who can do every dvorah run cancel, cant even time a frame trap properly against the cpu in sfv lol. they have zero clue what theyre talking about outside their limited scope of these baby games or what they parrot on twitter but feel they are entitled to a valid opinion because of their success in their own game. every nrs player i know that actually plays sfv cant make it past diamond rank online yet are “good” in nrs games hmmm how mysterious
 
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God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
you're a weirdo shazzy

who cares about anime games. congrats, you waste time practicing hard combos in games nobody even plays youre so cool bro.
#1 game at EVO this year is an anime fighter made by the exact same devs, beating out SF

time to adapt and git gud shazzy nobody respects baby's first fighter SFV anymore

"Muh three button strings cancelled into an ender execution"
 
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