It's really tough man. Basically just pray for an ice arrow trade, corner carry him off it and then just bully him in the corner. Easier said than done though. This MU is a nightmare but we're gonna have to get used to being counter picked with him.
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He was standing alot of the match, he didnt really just crouch shot, he'd draw an arrow and then duck too so i think he was just standing, I'll test it out tonight
Whenever I fight fate I always seem to find that theres a space just outside his normals range (Basically just his push) where you win the zoning war, up close you smack him I don't really know another way to put it.
I have a question hitting low arrow after a combo like f2d1 or d1 does that guarantee pressure due to +10 and if they do block low arrow what's your best option after
Standing Arrows have more frame advantage so if you hitconfirm it and you don't want to use meter, you should go for that, but yeah... Low arrow on hit gives enough advantage to go into pressure, throw, etc. When F2D1 is blocked, going for the low arrow is reactable or fuzzyable but it's probably good occasionally.
If you want to kontinue pressure, you should be mixing up regular D1 and D1~slide into your gameplan. Also, D1~Savage Blast, but that pushes you away (out of pressure) and it doesn't kombo on hit. I really wouldn't do D1~low arrow for just pressure, especially if no arrow is loaded, because D1 alone gives some frame advantage on hit, and D1~low arrow is interruptible. Although, if you space it out, some characters kan't interrupt it.
Still early but so far the only thing that will be a problem is her special move curse. But, even then getting it started against Arrow will be tough for her.
Have you been playing this mu? What's the neutral like? Like what has worked and hasn't? So far I feel like I've become predictable with mb slides, dash ins and j3 attempts.
Have yet to play any real solid Enchantress', but zoning seems like the best bet so far. Shield doesn't stay up long enough to cause any real issues and from full screen, we recover in time to block the reflect anyways. Also when shield is up, MB Stinger is great for getting past it and then continuing to body her with zoning. Start up on shield also gives plenty of time to start your rush-down game.
Yeah, this is already what I've seen. In my experience, the shield goes up and she's already inputting the hex. The way to beat that was to hold a fire or ice arrow and time the release for when the shield disappears. The guy I was playing adapted to that by jumping back and using another wall.
For the record that's, an 88 dmg knock down trading with a hex that potentially eliminates the use of his special moves... From full screen, after the fire arrow I would dash in twice and she'd be getting up with another shield so I would punish with the slide.
There is no discord, but TYM is typically better. These forums aren't dead. We respond as the questions or talks kome in... But sometimes there really isn't much new to talk about.
Okay, so yesterday, I played my first good Enchantress. Most likely one of the best around right now. Noble Raptor's. Score was 3-1 for him, but I tried a lot of different things in this MU and I do think it's slightly in her favor as of right now. Both have to make some good reads in this MU but with her damage and hex ability, it seems like it's really up to Arrow to take the risks. The J2 is also going to be hard for us to deal with. Anyways, I was streaming at the time so you can see my set with Raptor here. I also run into two or three other Enchantress' later on and beat them with relative ease so right now it's kinda hard to say if I was just outplayed by Raptor or it was MU unfamiliarity or it really is a bad MU for GA. Match starts at about 22:35.
One of the adaptations I like that you made was canceling arrows to get in. Not sure how much it helped but you did seem to throw him off a bit doing that. I know for a fact you're guaranteed an electric arrow before the startup of wake up Hell's gate. That's specifically after the knockdown from MB slide. Might be best to use electric arrows in the neutral? Idk don't know if fire arrows are fast enough but I haven't tested. It's also possible to take a step back and meaty her wake up push with a JI2 for a full combo. Overall I don't think you experienced what I experienced yet. Wait till you play a long set and they start adapting. Raptor seemed aware of most things but he wasn't even using his B2 string or those unblockable setups... I want to keep hearing from GAs about this mu though thanks for this!
Yeah, we'll definitely have to see how this MU plays out over time after new things are figured out and tested. Played another in WOTG yesterday and just rushed her down. So far Raptor's the only Enchantress I've lost to but I'm sure that'll change as people get more comfortable with the character.