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Grodd is a 7-3 I would say as well (robins favor)


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I'd say 6-4, but could be argued as 7-3. Robin outfootsies the shit out of him and prevents leaps but it's not insanely hard for Grodd I would say, and once he gets going, Robin has to guess like everyone else.
 

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I'd say 6-4, but could be argued as 7-3. Robin outfootsies the shit out of him and prevents leaps but it's not insanely hard for Grodd I would say, and once he gets going, Robin has to guess like everyone else.
Robins d3 is the worst part of that matchup. You cannot get away with abusing d1 and diagonal 3. His jump arc is way too slow punish it like i do with other characters.

Everyone is super scared of saying 7-3 but i dont see how grodd gets anything going if the robin plays it right. Hard to tell with lack of tournament rep of grodd.
 

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Robins d3 is the worst part of that matchup. You cannot get away with abusing d1 and diagonal 3. His jump arc is way too slow punish it like i do with other characters.

Everyone is super scared of saying 7-3 but i dont see how grodd gets anything going if the robin plays it right. Hard to tell with lack of tournament rep of grodd.
But if you block a D3 aren't you in range for 112 and 22 which leads into stampede cancel pressure? Block a D3 from Robin and it's your turn.

I'm hard pressed to say it's 7-3, especially compared to some of the other 7-3 matchups in the game.
 
But if you block a D3 aren't you in range for 112 and 22 which leads into stampede cancel pressure? Block a D3 from Robin and it's your turn.

I'm hard pressed to say it's 7-3, especially compared to some of the other 7-3 matchups in the game.
Maybe 22 but not 112. And plus, robin can stuff both gaps with a d1 leading into 350+


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But if you block a D3 aren't you in range for 112 and 22 which leads into stampede cancel pressure? Block a D3 from Robin and it's your turn.

I'm hard pressed to say it's 7-3, especially compared to some of the other 7-3 matchups in the game.
1 is a high not a good idea against a robin.

Yeah you get a 22 if they try press other buttons, how negative is d3 though, i thought it was -4 or something? If im not mistaken, you’ll get beaten out by d1.

Overall, its a great check for grodds best tools and if you block it you really dont get a lot.
 

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Grodd community mostly agrees that Aquaman vs Grodd is 7-3 matchup. I don't think Robin comes close to that bad if you consider how the Aquaman matchup goes for Grodd.
 

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1 is a high not a good idea against a robin.

Yeah you get a 22 if they try press other buttons, how negative is d3 though, i thought it was -4 or something? If im not mistaken, you’ll get beaten out by d1.

Overall, its a great check for grodds best tools and if you block it you really dont get a lot.
D3 is -6. Don't know if D2 stampede cancel is plus or not, I imagine it isn't though considering I see no one use it or it is very difficult to do (which is it).

But look at it from this way. Robin shuts down Grodd's mobility and already limited footsies using his own strong neutral. Aquaman does that plus:
Gets to zone Grodd (not carelessly but still gets to)
Has pretty much an equal anti-air to Robin (both are 8 frames I believe)
Has equal if not better footsies than Robin
And last but not least, his character power which shuts down Grodd horribly since all of Grodd's combos require him to restand his opponent and Aquaman's trait obviously allows him to just get out of that for free. On top of the fact that if Aquaman plays the matchup correctly, he'll have it back before Grodd gets an opening, all while building meter and getting openings of his own.

So if that's a 7-3 matchup, I fail to see how Robin is also in that category.
 
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Wigy

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Doesnt guarantee a great deal unless you’re incredibly on point.

But yeah -6 is -6 and its your turn.

I thought it was less negative.

His d3 is still a big nightmare in that matchup for me. Being able to constantly check your best tools with a safe HKD,
 
Grodd community mostly agrees that Aquaman vs Grodd is 7-3 matchup. I don't think Robin comes close to that bad if you consider how the Aquaman matchup goes for Grodd.
Good point. I would say it’s between a 6-4 and 7-3. It’s not as bad as his true 7-3s like Catwoman and aqua man


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Good point. I would say it’s between a 6-4 and 7-3. It’s not as bad as his true 7-3s like Catwoman and aqua man


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It is indeed bad, don't get me wrong, it's at least 6-4 I'd say. But the main 7-3 matchups I've seen are like Grodd vs Aqua, or Bane vs Superman.

Bane vs Superman is a matchup that makes me actually want to cry. Ever been in a matchup where someone has an infinite block string on you? Because that's basically Bane vs Superman
 
It is indeed bad, don't get me wrong, it's at least 6-4 I'd say. But the main 7-3 matchups I've seen are like Grodd vs Aqua, or Bane vs Superman.

Bane vs Superman is a matchup that makes me actually want to cry. Ever been in a matchup where someone has an infinite block string on you? Because that's basically Bane vs Superman
The bane vs superman matchup is legit 10-0 it's the worst lol


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Speaking of is Bane vs Robin a 4-6 for Bane? Feel like it might be but Robin kind of sucks are breaking armour
 

Wigy

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Yeha i see what you guys are saying AM is way worse.

Probably not that bad in theory, but i just dont see a high level game between those two characters coming that close. I dont know
 

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Yeha i see what you guys are saying AM is way worse.

Probably not that bad in theory, but i just dont see a high level game between those two characters coming that close. I dont know
It's all theory really. On paper is does sound pretty bad, but as we have seen, Grodd needs 1 touch and you might lose the game. It's just a little more likely he'll get it against Robin that he will against Aquaman. Like at least Grodd gets to contest normals against Robin. Aqua man can almost jail a B3 into another B3 if spaced correctly.
 

Wigy

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It's all theory really. On paper is does sound pretty bad, but as we have seen, Grodd needs 1 touch and you might lose the game. It's just a little more likely he'll get it against Robin that he will against Aquaman. Like at least Grodd gets to contest normals against Robin. Aqua man can almost jail a B3 into another B3 if spaced correctly.
Thats one of grodds biggest (and cheesist) weaknesses. B3

He cant armour break b3’s outside d1 stampede and if they have huge range he cant just b3 to counter himself.

Scarecrow mu is just a b3 fest.

I just feel if a robin is abusing the normals properly its near impossible to get anything going, grodd is primarily an antizoning neutral character with a good standing reset (dd1 in trait after b2) but robin just outplays his strengths.

This is the silliness with mu numbers they should really be best of a 100 with aquaman at like 70-75 and robin around 60-65.

Robin also hits really hard and has better oki than aquamanX
 

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Thats one of grodds biggest (and cheesist) weaknesses. B3

He cant armour break b3’s outsidend1 stampede and if they have huge range he cant just b3 to counter himself.

Scarecrow mu is just a b3 fest.

I just feel if a robin is abusing the normals properly its near impossible to get anything going, grodd is primarily an antizoning neutral character with a good standing reset (dd1 in trait after b2)

This is the silliness with mu numbers they should really be best of a 100 with aquaman at like 70-75 and robin around 60-65.

Robin also hits really hard and has better oki than aquamanX
11 is a pretty good armour break although armour breaking B3's as most characters is quite tricky. Robin himself struggles with it outside of D12 in terms of just raw normals (Not normals cancelled into specials which is pretty easy for most characters).
 

Wigy

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You’ve made points i can concede on but 11 is not good for armour breaking.

Specifically with long range b3’s its really not good enough


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Dont wana derail the thread anyways. I’ve found that matchup tougher when played properly than most ‘bad’ matchups.


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I've played it a little against some pretty good Grodd's and it was quite bad for Grodd, just not as bad as some others I've played, which is pretty much the only reason I'm saying it's not a 7-3.
 

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Probably Scarecrow just because I think Ivy might have a hardish time getting Robin out once he's in, whereas Scarecrow don't give a fook where Robin is on the screen really.