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Injustice 2 hasn't even been sold for a year yet.

This argument of, let's not put equal effort into building up our new franchise because this other franchise we've been popularizing for 20 years is more popular (duh) makes absolutely no sense.
wait have you checked mk9 to injustice 1 then ? lol dont even make me go there
 

CrimsonShadow

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wait have you checked mk9 to injustice 1 then ? lol dont even make me go there
MK9 was a popular 2d reboot of a franchise after two decades of promoting it and building it up.

Injustice: Gods Among Us was the first game in a brand new fighting game franchise that no one had heard of before.

Why would you suggest they should have equal sales? That shows that you entirely missed the point I was trying to make to you :confused:
 

Tweedy

Noob
I'm not reading all of this shit, but since I keep getting tagged, let me say that I don't think Jax is a higher tier character. He's definitely one of the lesser characters in the current state. Heavy weapons however isn't bad because 3b2 links and you can just commit to mb dash punch off of b2 anyways since only b2 comes out on block. There's no reason why an optimal heavy weapons should be considered weaker than the other two, more unsafe variations.
 
MK9 was a popular 2d reboot of a franchise after two decades of promoting it and building it up.

Injustice: Gods Among Us was the first game in a brand new fighting game franchise that no one had heard of before.

Why would you suggest they should have equal sales? That shows that you entirely missed the point I was trying to make to you :confused:
no i got it but you didnt get my point that MK is way more popular and beloved than injustice will ever be doesnt matter what you say numbers dont lie

MK11 will sell more than injustice 2 ever will end of story.

NRS should give extra love to what make them popular in the first place , im not saying they should stop supporting Injustice games all together im saying they should keep supporting the game
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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no i got it but you didnt get my point that MK is way more popular and beloved than injustice will ever be doesnt matter what you say numbers dont lie

MK11 will sell more than injustice 2 ever will end of story.
It should, because they've spent decades to built it to that point.

But it also means that new franchises have to be given equal (or more) love to build them up as well.

MKX doesn't need any more help to sell copies -- and 4.99 of the 5 million people you're referring to don't care about run cancels, you, or having another balance patch.

(Also they don't care about Jax because he's a brotha)
 
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It should, because they've spent decades to built it to that point.

But it also means that new franchises have to be given equal (or more) love to build them up as well.

MKX doesn't need any more help to sell copies -- and 4.99 of the 5 million people you're referring to don't care about run cancels, you, or having another balance patch.

(Also they don't care about Jax because he's a brotha)
i dont like your sense of humor but i get what you trying to say
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
Ok @Crusty just because you were more professional then the others here I'm gonna respond to you. I know that WB have way more daughter companies other then NRS, they are a big publisher just like EA and Activision. Nowhere in this thread I've said such thing, in fact me supposedly "giving WB too much credit" shows the exact opposite of that. And no, I don't give them to much credit because while they don't have that much control on the balance itself or the technical stuff like graphics and such, they do have control on pretty much everything else in addition to which characters or what DLC content to make the cut, they're also the ones who deciding the release schedule for the games of all of their daughter companies and they want all of them, including NRS, to meet the release windows of the games and DLC, and they aren't gonna let them get work on a patch for a previous game if they feel it's gonna hurt the development time for the next game. They are also the ones who decided to give the PC port to HVS because WB are the ones who wanted to release all versions at once and look what happened to that port until last October.

NRS has some control, but it's WB who are calling the shots. I'm not saying that NRS are perfect, but that's the reality regarding the decisions involved



The fact that you keep denying what I said regarding my results as a player despite not using one version of one move just shows how ridiculous you truly are. I'm sorry but that's the truth. Calling me a bottom tier player after everything I've done just because I don't like to use one version of one move out of 3 is beyond stupid and moronic. Also the fact that you ignore both @Tweedy 's and @TheGangstaFace 's comments regarding Jax, just proves that point even more. This is the type of stuff that make TYM to look bad, making so much noise about something so minor, and then insulting others for that. This is the real problem, not me not using one version of a move. If you use all of the moves and combos you can do and win, including huge wins, one move doesn't matter. Get your facts straight.

And to think that I only used that as an example for a point which was the minor line of my original post, just wow.
The real problem is:
1.People saying dumb things like its a fact.
2.Being unable to defend the bullshit stuff they say
3.After they have been proven wrong, saying something like "ok, I'm out and I won't respond to anything else".

You are one of the most delusional posters I've ever seen.
Gonna ask you one more time because I hope that there will come a beautiful day when you will.
Please, please, please stop saying that you are right even when many other people told you that you are not.
Its ok not to be right, just stop acting like a total fucking donkey. Makes you look dumb
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
The real problem is:
1.People saying dumb things like its a fact.
2.Being unable to defend the bullshit stuff they say
3.After they have been proven wrong, saying something like "ok, I'm out and I won't respond to anything else".

You are one of the most delusional posters I've ever seen.
Gonna ask you one more time because I hope that there will come a beautiful day when you will.
Please, please, please stop saying that you are right even when many other people told you that you are not.
Its ok not to be right, just stop acting like a total fucking donkey. Makes you look dumb
Except that I wasn't proven wrong at all. In fact you just claim that it was a fact that I was wrong, and not only I wasn't wrong, but in regards to me saying that I'm done with this topic, I said that only after I countered their points even further in that same post. The fact that you ignore the actual structure of my posts just proves my point even further, as I've never posted a post with just the lines "I'm done and I won't respond" or that I wasn't able to defend my comments, you just make stuff up. I've admitted in the past that I'm wrong about stuff, and yet nobody gave any point to actually prove me wrong on this topic, especially you, all you do is just mock me, you don't give any actual points or explain why I'm wrong.

I feel like this particular idea is where the disconnect is between you and everybody else.

Because it's wrong.
How exactly is it wrong? Execution and easiness of a character is part of what makes that character good or bad. Yes there are chars that are hard to use but still awesome and some that are easy to use but not that good, but these factors can still effect the viability of the characters.
 

Crusty

Retired forever; don’t ask for games.
Ok @Crusty just because you were more professional then the others here I'm gonna respond to you. I know that WB have way more daughter companies other then NRS, they are a big publisher just like EA and Activision. Nowhere in this thread I've said such thing, in fact me supposedly "giving WB too much credit" shows the exact opposite of that. And no, I don't give them to much credit because while they don't have that much control on the balance itself or the technical stuff like graphics and such, they do have control on pretty much everything else in addition to which characters or what DLC content to make the cut, they're also the ones who deciding the release schedule for the games of all of their daughter companies and they want all of them, including NRS, to meet the release windows of the games and DLC, and they aren't gonna let them get work on a patch for a previous game if they feel it's gonna hurt the development time for the next game. They are also the ones who decided to give the PC port to HVS because WB are the ones who wanted to release all versions at once and look what happened to that port until last October.

NRS has some control, but it's WB who are calling the shots. I'm not saying that NRS are perfect, but that's the reality regarding the decisions involved
You want to know why it wouldn’t matter to WB whether or not they patched the game or not? Because it doesn’t get involved in anything about the patching cycle of the games that are released under their publishing and licensing.

If NRS was able to hotfix igau not once but twice mind you, with one of those hotfixes being a full 6 MONTHS after the final balance patch of the game because there were overlooked issues as well as patch mkxl one last time before taking away Jax’ armor in a subsequent hotfix, it stands to reason that WB takes minimal involvement (direct or indirect) in this decision making process.

It’s not up to WB because they don’t want NRS to work on something because it takes time away from a future project. It’s on NRS because these games just simply die when next game releases.

You’re acting as though a hotfix of all things will take time to implement when it really wouldn’t.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
You want to know why it wouldn’t matter to WB whether or not they patched the game or not? Because it doesn’t get involved in anything about the patching cycle of the games that are released under their publishing and licensing.

If NRS was able to hotfix igau not once but twice mind you, with one of those hotfixes being a full 6 MONTHS after the final balance patch of the game because there were overlooked issues as well as patch mkxl one last time before taking away Jax’ armor in a subsequent hotfix, it stands to reason that WB takes minimal involvement (direct or indirect) in this decision making process.

It’s not up to WB because they don’t want NRS to work on something because it takes time away from a future project. It’s on NRS because these games just simply die when next game releases.

You’re acting as though a hotfix of all things will take time to implement when it really wouldn’t.
OK I didn't know about the two hotfixes for IJ1. So maybe NRS have more control then I've thought, but considering that WB are indeed the bosses of NRS (again, along other companies) and considering that indeed the games don't get more content and support longer then 2 years, it is indicating that WB at least has still a huge factor in that. If NRS had the main control here, obviously the games would've take 3 years of support and content or maybe 4 years, or maybe even MK and IJ won't have to come in any cycle whatsoever.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
The fact that you keep denying what I said regarding my results as a player despite not using one version of one move just shows how ridiculous you truly are. I'm sorry but that's the truth. Calling me a bottom tier player after everything I've done just because I don't like to use one version of one move out of 3 is beyond stupid and moronic. Also the fact that you ignore both @Tweedy 's and @TheGangstaFace 's comments regarding Jax, just proves that point even more. This is the type of stuff that make TYM to look bad, making so much noise about something so minor, and then insulting others for that. This is the real problem, not me not using one version of a move. If you use all of the moves and combos you can do and win, including huge wins, one move doesn't matter. Get your facts straight.

And to think that I only used that as an example for a point which was the minor line of my original post, just wow.
I'm 100% sure that neither Tweedy nor GangstaFace are agreeing with you that 2/3 Jax variations shouldn't be able to combo after using armour, and that changing OHDP input is a massive buff because inputs where you press a 3rd direction afterwards are extremely high level execution. One has already weighed in and told you that he isn't. And I know GangstaFace well enough to know that he doesn't think that, and nothing from his post gave the impression that he did.

Go back to living in your delusions, your execution is trash if you aren't able to input far Pounce, and beating other scrubs online doesn't change this. I'd hate to see how you'd do at playing a character like Flash.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
I'm 100% sure that neither Tweedy nor GangstaFace are agreeing with you that 2/3 Jax variations shouldn't be able to combo after using armour, and that changing OHDP input is a massive buff because inputs where you press a 3rd direction afterwards are extremely high level execution. One has already weighed in and told you that he isn't. And I know GangstaFace well enough to know that he doesn't think that, and nothing from his post gave the impression that he did.

Go back to living in your delusions, your execution is trash if you aren't able to input far Pounce, and beating other scrubs online doesn't change this. I'd hate to see how you'd do at playing a character like Flash.
Ok first off, I never talked about Jax in Wrestler or Pumped Up even once, or even HW for that matter. I talked about Jax in general, not about any specific Variation or the combos he can or can't do, the only specific I've talked was the Dash Punch. Tweedy on the other hand explained how Jax can still be played in HW, so if you really wanna complain about that part, say that to Tweedy himself. Don't put words into my mouth.

And yes my execution in combos isn't the best and yes I don't play high execution characters, I do prefer to play the more simple to use characters like Noxious Reptile (and for the record they aren't have to be super easy to use), but that doesn't mean I can't play at a high level and I do have some very strong combos of myself both in MKX and IJ2. I play Sub-Zero and Starfire in IJ2, neither of them are high execution characters like Flash, but they're both very good characters and I got some pretty good results with them so far. And the players online that I've faced online in MKX aren't scrubs, I've faced some very weak players (who hasn't?) but I've also played against a great number of strong players and even pros, and I won several times as well. And I was at locals and even at Yuzu Cup 2. Those are the results I'm talking about.

My level of play is very good, regardless of just one version of a move, thank you very much. And none of this is a delusion. You are the delusional one if you think that execution of combos is the only thing that matters.
 
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God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Ok first off, I never talked about Jax in Wrestler or Pumped Up even once, or even HW for that matter. I talked about Jax in general, not about any specific Variation or the combos he can or can't do, the only specific I've talked was the Dash Punch. Tweedy on the other hand explained how Jax can still be played in HW, so if you really wanna complain about that part, say that to Tweedy himself. Don't put words into my mouth.
here's a direct quote from you
On top of all that, @Tweedy pretty much nailed the whole topic, you just had to use other tools instead of the Dash Punch. So regardless of all of that, it seems that the request about the Dash Punch, no offense, isn't necessary.
When the topic is titled "Fix Jax" not "fix HW", and has the Wrestler tag not the HW tag, and you say this shit, and then on top of all this, you say Dash Punch (a universal tool that belongs to all 3 variations) isn't necessary to be fixed.... then absolutely nobody is putting words in your mouth to say that you said this shit about characters other than HW. Because you did. You're just so stupid that you can't even keep up with your own shitposting.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
This is nonsense. Inj1 was still actively played another 6-9 months when the sinestro / batgirl hotfix went live. It was after the "last big patch" but it was still long before the game was dead. MKX is a game nobody played until last week.

This should be merged with the latest delusional umk9 thread.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
here's a direct quote from you


When the topic is titled "Fix Jax" not "fix HW", and has the Wrestler tag not the HW tag, and you say this shit, and then on top of all this, you say Dash Punch (a universal tool that belongs to all 3 variations) isn't necessary to be fixed.... then absolutely nobody is putting words in your mouth to say that you said this shit about characters other than HW. Because you did. You're just so stupid that you can't even keep up with your own shitposting.
Correction: TWEEDY was the one who talked about HW, I didn't. I only talked about the Dash Punch. When did I mention HW in either of those 2 comments? Nowhere. Even if my comment was a response to Tweedy in which HE WAS THE ONE who talked about HW, I myself wrote a more general comment and never mentioned any specific Variation.

Now you're just trying to find any small little detail just to make me look bad, and honestly it's just sad.

This is nonsense. Inj1 was still actively played another 6-9 months when the sinestro / batgirl hotfix went live. It was after the "last big patch" but it was still long before the game was dead. MKX is a game nobody played until last week.

This should be merged with the latest delusional umk9 thread.
MKX was played after IJ2 came out and not just last week, it still had tournaments including at Viennality, which was a really hype one.
 
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TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
Ok @Crusty just because you were more professional then the others here I'm gonna respond to you. I know that WB have way more daughter companies other then NRS, they are a big publisher just like EA and Activision. Nowhere in this thread I've said such thing, in fact me supposedly "giving WB too much credit" shows the exact opposite of that. And no, I don't give them to much credit because while they don't have that much control on the balance itself or the technical stuff like graphics and such, they do have control on pretty much everything else in addition to which characters or what DLC content to make the cut, they're also the ones who deciding the release schedule for the games of all of their daughter companies and they want all of them, including NRS, to meet the release windows of the games and DLC, and they aren't gonna let them get work on a patch for a previous game if they feel it's gonna hurt the development time for the next game. They are also the ones who decided to give the PC port to HVS because WB are the ones who wanted to release all versions at once and look what happened to that port until last October.

NRS has some control, but it's WB who are calling the shots. I'm not saying that NRS are perfect, but that's the reality regarding the decisions involved



The fact that you keep denying what I said regarding my results as a player despite not using one version of one move just shows how ridiculous you truly are. I'm sorry but that's the truth. Calling me a bottom tier player after everything I've done just because I don't like to use one version of one move out of 3 is beyond stupid and moronic. Also the fact that you ignore both @Tweedy 's and @TheGangstaFace 's comments regarding Jax, just proves that point even more. This is the type of stuff that make TYM to look bad, making so much noise about something so minor, and then insulting others for that. This is the real problem, not me not using one version of a move. If you use all of the moves and combos you can do and win, including huge wins, one move doesn't matter. Get your facts straight.

And to think that I only used that as an example for a point which was the minor line of my original post, just wow.
I didn’t insult anyone so you can keep me out of your comments. Also I mained Jax and I’m pretty sure I was the best Jax you’d run across from here so I like to think I know my character pretty well lol. Go ahead and rest your fingers
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Correction: TWEEDY was the one who talked about HW, I didn't. I only talked about the Dash Punch. When did I mention HW in either of those 2 comments? Nowhere. Even if my comment was a response to Tweedy in which HE WAS THE ONE who talked about HW, I myself wrote a more general comment and never mentioned any specific Variation.

Now you're just trying to find any small little detail just to make me look bad, and honestly it's just sad.
But I agree with Tweedy on HW not being Jax's worst variation. You know, the statement he made. You however, added that his Dash Punch shouldn't be be fixed, and a bunch of dumb shit on top of that, and then you keep tagging Tweedy and GangstaFace as if their statements support yours, which they do not.

EDIT: and now they've both outright told you as much. It's time to pack it in buddy.
 
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Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
I didn’t insult anyone so you can keep me out of your comments. Also I mained Jax and I’m pretty sure I was the best Jax you’d run across from here so I like to think I know my character pretty well lol. Go ahead and rest your fingers
You got it all wrong. I never said you were one of those who insulted me, also I never said anything against your understanding about Jax. I was actually with you in thin argument. I only mentioned you and your comment in order to counter @TopTierBarry 's points. Just read that comment and you will see.

But I agree with Tweedy on HW not being Jax's worst variation. You know, the statement he made. You however, added that his Dash Punch shouldn't be be fixed, and a bunch of dumb shit on top of that, and then you keep tagging Tweedy and GangstaFace as if their statements support yours, which they do not.

EDIT: and now they've both outright told you as much. It's time to pack it in buddy.
Except that none of their comments contradict what I've said, as they never said anything against Dash Punch not being fixed. Tweedy said you need to use Jax' other tools while in HW and GangstaFace said that HW in his opinion is the Variation against Mileena. In fact I tagged Tweedy only because I am on the same page with him on this argument. And only reason that GangstaFace responded was because of a misunderstanding which you can see above.

Now you just twist stuff, again just trying to make me look bad. You should stop your horses bud.
 

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
You got it all wrong. I never said you were one of those who insulted me, also I never said anything against your understanding about Jax. I was actually with you in thin argument. I only mentioned you and your comment in order to counter @TopTierBarry 's points. Just read that comment and you will see.



Except that none of their comments contradict what I've said, as they never said anything against Dash Punch not being fixed. Tweedy said you need to use Jax' other tools while in HW and GangstaFace said that HW in his opinion is the Variation against Mileena. In fact I tagged Tweedy only because I am on the same page with him on this argument. And only reason that GangstaFace responded was because of a misunderstanding which you can see above.

Now you just twist stuff, again just trying to make me look bad. You should stop your horses bud.
Ah. I have Barry blocked so I guess I’m just misunderstanding cuz I’m missing part of the convo lol