Black Manta Combo Thread

Chernyy Volk · Sep 14, 2017

I definitely think this might be easier, but it's hard to say. I'm liking this character the more I mess with him though. His combo game reminds me a lot of Shinnok in that he's got lots of control over the situation he forces his opponent into when the combo ends.

xKhaoTik · Sep 14, 2017

Chernyy Volk said:
All of you guys are posting such non-optimal shit. What I've posted in this thread is the best damage period.

What are you talking about lol you literally posted a combo that doesn't even work. You must've did it in your dream or some shit.

B11u3 4 j3x2 shark attack is the best meterless combo so far. Nothing you just posted does more than that.

EDIT: You're starting combos off with j2. That's not optimal. When people are talkin about optimal, usually it means a punish and you're not punishing with j2.

EntropicByDesign · Sep 14, 2017

Looking through the thread and aside from the arguing.. lots of good info out there.

So, a couple questions..

What *practical*, ie, doable online vs actual people on a consistent basis, combos are you all favoring for some of his main strings?:

B22, F21 and B11 (w/ and w/o meter)?

I'm tinkering and while I dont mind to grind out his harder stuff, just trying to see what people are using in actual matches right now.

ShaolinGunFu · Sep 14, 2017

im at work cant test- can b22/b2b2 be used as mixup the way green lantern staggers?

John Grizzly · Sep 14, 2017

Gonna find some time this weekend to sit down and update the OP again with all the great stuff people have posted in here. Sorry for the delay, everyone. I work two jobs and between that, the gym and trying to get my light level up in Destiny 2 so I can raid with my clan, this week has been rough.

Damn NRS for releasing my most wanted character within a reasonable time of his announcement!

JustPressingButtons · Sep 14, 2017

Fuck these combo threads are so hard to read

ryublaze · Sep 14, 2017

imblackjames said:
Can someone make a video of all of these combos? It's hard for me to get most of them from just notation. That would be a big help.

The last combo you can do starter -> float j2 db2 j2 db2 MB f3 j3 b11u3 db3 for a little more dmg.

Th4tDrewDude · Sep 14, 2017

John Grizzly said:
I'm really excited to play Manta, so I want to take the responsibility of making his combo thread. What doesn't excite me is sitting down to try a new character and see that their combo thread hasn't had shit updated since the day the game launched. I'm not going to let that happen for my man Manta here.

ALL COMBOS PERFORMED ON SUPERMAN IN COMPETITIVE MODE

LEGEND:

MR - MANTA RAYS (B,F+1)
SA - SHARK ATTACK (B,F+2)
ASA - AIR SHARK ATTACK (in air B,F+2)
TC - TORPEDO CANNON (D,B+2)
ATC - AIR TORPEDO CANNON (in air D,B+2)
RT - RISING TIDE (D,F+3)
HP - HARPOON (D,B+3)
AH - AIR HARPOON (in air D,B+3)
ACH - AIR CLOSE HARPOON (in air D,B+3~D)
FLT - FLOAT (4)
AFLT - AIR FLOAT (in air 4)
SS - SWITCH STANCE (AIR FLOAT CANCEL)
xx - (CANCEL INTO SPECIAL)

METERLESS MIDSCREEN (NO TRAIT):

D+1xxMR - 135.45
B+2,2xxMR - 160.76
1,2,3xxMR - 197.13
B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 203.05
2,1xxMR - 201.27
2,D+3xxMR - 187.44
F+2,1xxMR - 173.44
B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1xxMR - 345.65
B+3, JI3,B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAR - 372.06
F+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 372.06
D+2, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 207.53

ANTI-AIR (NO TRAIT):

D+2, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 267.18
D+2, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 302.23

METERLESS MIDSCREEN W/ BACKGROUND BOUNCE:

F+2,1xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 423.32
B+2,2xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 385.02

ONE BAR MIDSCREEN W/ BACKGROUND BOUNCE:

F+2,1xxMB RT, F+2xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 444.37
B+2,2xxMB RT, F+2xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 403.92

ONE BAR MIDSCREEN (NO TRAIT):

B+2,2xxMB RT, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 299.87
3xxMB TC, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 386.24
F+2,1xxMB RT, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 328.44
2,D+3xxMB RT, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 334.69
B+3, JI3, 1,2,3xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xxASA - 430.26
JI3, 1,2,3xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 403.16

TWO BAR MIDSCREEN (NO TRAIT):

F+2xxD,B+MB (bounce cancel), JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 446.67
B+2,2xxD,B MB (bounce cancel), JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 416.46
MB B3, JI3, 1,2,3xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xxASA - 492.59

METERLESS CORNER (WITH TRAIT):

B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 2, 2, 2xxAH - 275.70
B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxSS, B+1,1,U+3xxAH -280.57
B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxSS, B+1,1,U+3xxASA - 296.50
B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxSS, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 300.45 (see gif below)

CORNER ONE BAR (WITH TRAIT):

F+2,1xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxAH - 345.48
B2,2xxMB TC, F+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxAH - 351.98 (see gif below)
MB F+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xx4 AFLT 3xxAH - 446.69 (see gif below)

His corner potential seems crazy with the float. The above combo is trash but I feel like there's a lot to be discovered with his float combos, especially with the float cancel after the normals out of the float. He sort of feels like Spectral Ermac in the corner.

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John Grizzly said:

I'm really excited to play Manta, so I want to take the responsibility of making his combo thread. What doesn't excite me is sitting down to try a new character and see that their combo thread hasn't had shit updated since the day the game launched. I'm not going to let that happen for my man Manta here.

ALL COMBOS PERFORMED ON SUPERMAN IN COMPETITIVE MODE

LEGEND:

MR - MANTA RAYS (B,F+1)
SA - SHARK ATTACK (B,F+2)
ASA - AIR SHARK ATTACK (in air B,F+2)
TC - TORPEDO CANNON (D,B+2)
ATC - AIR TORPEDO CANNON (in air D,B+2)
RT - RISING TIDE (D,F+3)
HP - HARPOON (D,B+3)
AH - AIR HARPOON (in air D,B+3)
ACH - AIR CLOSE HARPOON (in air D,B+3~D)
FLT - FLOAT (4)
AFLT - AIR FLOAT (in air 4)
SS - SWITCH STANCE (AIR FLOAT CANCEL)
xx - (CANCEL INTO SPECIAL)

METERLESS MIDSCREEN (NO TRAIT):

D+1xxMR - 135.45
B+2,2xxMR - 160.76
1,2,3xxMR - 197.13
B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 203.05
2,1xxMR - 201.27
2,D+3xxMR - 187.44
F+2,1xxMR - 173.44
B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1xxMR - 345.65
B+3, JI3,B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAR - 372.06
F+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 372.06
D+2, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 207.53

ANTI-AIR (NO TRAIT):

D+2, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 267.18
D+2, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 302.23

METERLESS MIDSCREEN W/ BACKGROUND BOUNCE:

F+2,1xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 423.32
B+2,2xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 385.02

ONE BAR MIDSCREEN W/ BACKGROUND BOUNCE:

F+2,1xxMB RT, F+2xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 444.37
B+2,2xxMB RT, F+2xxBB, B+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 403.92

ONE BAR MIDSCREEN (NO TRAIT):

B+2,2xxMB RT, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 299.87
3xxMB TC, B+3, JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 386.24
F+2,1xxMB RT, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 328.44
2,D+3xxMB RT, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 334.69
B+3, JI3, 1,2,3xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xxASA - 430.26
JI3, 1,2,3xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 403.16

TWO BAR MIDSCREEN (NO TRAIT):

F+2xxD,B+MB (bounce cancel), JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 446.67
B+2,2xxD,B MB (bounce cancel), JI3, B+1,1, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 416.46
MB B3, JI3, 1,2,3xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xxASA - 492.59

METERLESS CORNER (WITH TRAIT):

B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 2, 2, 2xxAH - 275.70
B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxSS, B+1,1,U+3xxAH -280.57
B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxSS, B+1,1,U+3xxASA - 296.50
B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxSS, B+1,1,U+3xxAH - 300.45 (see gif below)

CORNER ONE BAR (WITH TRAIT):

F+2,1xxMB RT, B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxAH - 345.48
B2,2xxMB TC, F+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xx4, AFLT 3xxAH - 351.98 (see gif below)
MB F+3, JI3, B+1,1,U+3xx4 AFLT 3xxAH - 446.69 (see gif below)

His corner potential seems crazy with the float. The above combo is trash but I feel like there's a lot to be discovered with his float combos, especially with the float cancel after the normals out of the float. He sort of feels like Spectral Ermac in the corner.

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scarsunseen · Sep 14, 2017

honeybooboo said:
How tight is that 123 link after the b11u3? I hit it every so often, im just curious?

tight!

scarsunseen · Sep 14, 2017

I'm not really sure what the double air missile combos are for. They decrease the damage. Maybe just best for pressure and leaving them standing?

Chernyy Volk · Sep 14, 2017

xKhaoTik said:
What are you talking about lol you literally posted a combo that doesn't even work. You must've did it in your dream or some shit.

B11u3 4 j3x2 shark attack is the best meterless combo so far. Nothing you just posted does more than that.

EDIT: You're starting combos off with j2. That's not optimal. When people are talkin about optimal, usually it means a punish and you're not punishing with j2.

I thought I hit it. Oh well.

Did you test point blank instant j2? It might be. j2 is relevant because if you do it as a punish on a bad projectile or something you need to confirm into j2~db2. That's gonna be a vital part of this character.

Chernyy Volk · Sep 14, 2017

scarsunseen said:
I'm not really sure what the double air missile combos are for. They decrease the damage. Maybe just best for pressure and leaving them standing?

I just like being thorough. They don't decrease the damage when it comes to meterless damage though as I posted on the previous page. It is kind of not worth it though.

Noodle Monkey · Sep 14, 2017

Apart from getting bodied by wakeups, can I get some opinions on this?

Chernyy Volk · Sep 14, 2017

I don't think Missile corner pressure is real. I didn't test it myself but someone told me you can push block the missiles.

EyeOfThundera822 · Sep 14, 2017

Simplest meterless punish I've found so far is B11U3 4 (float Diagonal down) 3,3

Super easy, no difficult links or execution required. I was tryna cancel the last floating 3 into harpoon but I guess he's too low to the ground by then because it wouldn't come out.

Does 256.89 on Superman

HatecraftsWife · Sep 14, 2017

B22 xx MB DB2, B3, Forward Dash, Ji3, B11U3 ~ 4, J3 xx DB3

xKhaoTik · Sep 14, 2017

EyeOfThundera822 said:
Simplest meterless punish I've found so far is B11U3 4 (float Diagonal down) 3,3

Super easy, no difficult links or execution required. I was tryna cancel the last floating 3 into harpoon but I guess he's too low to the ground by then because it wouldn't come out.

Does 256.89 on Superman

Add shark attack to it. 300.

xKhaoTik · Sep 14, 2017

HatecraftsWife said:
B22 xx MB DB2, B3, Forward Dash, Ji3, B11U3 ~ 4, J3 xx DB3

^yup what I do

BadMoodBarry · Sep 14, 2017

xKhaoTik said:
^yup what I do

seems like a reeeeeeeeeeeally tight link for the extra 6 damage over b11u3 - db3. That J3 is missing a lot for me.

ryublaze · Sep 14, 2017

scarsunseen said:
I'm not really sure what the double air missile combos are for. They decrease the damage. Maybe just best for pressure and leaving them standing?

You use the air missile combos when you want to convert off of b2 float or for meterless combo into restand.

ShaolinGunFu · Sep 14, 2017

if you b11u3 4f crossup j2 in corner the air missle shit is necessary so scaling is worth it

supernumian · Sep 14, 2017

How can you do stuff like float j2 DB2?
The missile doesn't connect.

Any suggestion?

BadMoodBarry · Sep 14, 2017

supernumian said:
How can you do stuff like float j2 DB2?
The missile doesn't connect.

Any suggestion?

it's super tight. b2-4-j2-db2 works, it's just super tight.

xKhaoTik · Sep 14, 2017

BadMoodBarry said:
seems like a reeeeeeeeeeeally tight link for the extra 6 damage over b11u3 - db3. That J3 is missing a lot for me.

Hold DF after the float. It's easier Once you get the timing down.

big_aug · Sep 14, 2017

Don't know of this is posted yet or not.

Midscreen meterless with trait:

B11u3 xx 4 j3 j3 xx bf2

295.73 on Superman.

Corner 1 bar:

MB F3 j3 b11u3 xx4 j3 L2 123 xx bf2

456.67 on Superman

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