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B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
nah bro she's secret op, she doesn't lose to anyone, let alone that scrub.
lul but wait if you think superman- canary is actually 5-5 or not in his favor you need to stop being irresponsible playing the tweedy supermans of the world and get with the #1 superman on the leaderboards aka yours truly


i'll be in the fortress of solitude waiting for the inv my b
 

astronout

see you at the top.
lul but wait if you think superman- canary is actually 5-5 or not in his favor you need to stop being irresponsible playing the tweedy supermans of the world and get with the #1 superman on the leaderboards aka yours truly


i'll be in the fortress of solitude waiting for the inv my b
sorry my sarcasm didn't come through. she loses that MU man. there is a single place on the screen where she has any advantage. but i'd still be down to grind the MU.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
sorry my sarcasm didn't come through. she loses that MU man. there is a single place on the screen where she has any advantage. but i'd still be down to grind the MU.
oh ok even so theres a few matchups youre missing on that list anyways that i can demonstrate because im also the best with like 5 other characters nbd
 
clueless as to how Darkseid isnt in some top 10's lol anyway

no order
1. Batman
2. Superman
3. Atrocitus
4. Catwoman
5. Darkseid
6. Black Adam
7. Deadshot
8. Aquaman
9. Harley
10. Red Hood/Cheetah

idk who the bottom 10 is but it doesnt mean terribly bad
the bottom 5 is
Swamp Thing
Joker
Blue Beetle
Grodd
Cold?
everyone putting cheetah in bottom 10 and then you put her top ten?
 
Off of meter burn shield toss b3 is hard to connect. So by not using it you are missing out on a lot of damage or spending two additional bars trying to get some damage. So essentially I'm saying if they fix this issue more people would use WW and I doubt there would be any talk of her being bottom 5.
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Off of meter burn shield toss b3 is hard to connect. So by not using it you are missing out on a lot of damage or spending two additional bars trying to get some damage. So essentially I'm saying if they fix this issue more people would use WW and I doubt there would be any talk of her being bottom 5.
The damag difference is not even big, it's like 20 Iirc.
But that's not even a change that would make her better lol, it would just make the execution easier which is a lame thing to ask for because you're just being lazy and even if you use F23 B3 as I said the damage difference is not big at all... That change wouldn't even make her better or worse lol
 

HellblazerHawkman

Confused Thanagarian
As far as everyone else you've listed, they all either out neutral, out damage, or are generally less risk yet more rewarding that what Canary offers.
I wasn't going to jump into what has turned into a "Why Canary Sucks" sucks thread, because other, much smarter players articulated arguments to that point. But who in this game actually outdamages Black Canary besides Black Adam? Did everyone forget this 700+ reset Compbros pulled off on Hayatei?

 
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Canary and Wonder Woman are both strong enough to not be present in bottom 10s.

However, i thnk that Firestorm is way too downplayed on this thread, he has the potential of being in the end of the top 10 (ninth or tenth)
 

Kotal_Wannabe

AKA AndyPandy
Canary and Wonder Woman are both strong enough to not be present in bottom 10s.

However, i thnk that Firestorm is way too downplayed on this thread, he has the potential of being in the end of the top 10 (ninth or tenth)
You know, it's easy to say that, even i'd upvote you if i didn't start the thread cause i think they are both great characters. But take a look at the cast and then give me your bottom 10, it's not as easy as it looks,way easier to point the finger at other peoples lists.
 

Map the Soul

#nolivesmatter
catwoman is overrated, she's in 7-12 range
darkseid has potential to be #1
firestorm is downplayed and really dumb, has braindead gameplan and comeback factor
deadshot is underrated now

bottom 3 is bane, *gap*, swamp thing, grodd
 
You know, it's easy to say that, even i'd upvote you if i didn't start the thread cause i think they are both great characters. But take a look at the cast and then give me your bottom 10, it's not as easy as it looks,way easier to point the finger at other peoples lists.
I already posted my bottom 10 in page 3

Bottom 10 :

10. Cyborg
9. Bane
8. Brainiac
7. Cheetah
6. Swamp Thing
5. Captain Cold
4. Robin
3. The Joker
2. Blue Beetle
1.Gorilla Grodd
I know it's far from being easy but I honestly tried my best, my list is probably wrong, because even now I doubt of my own and I want to change some things, but I won't because it'll be probably worse :DOGE.

i said that WoWo and Canary are for me not in the bottom 10 because I play both of these characters, I watched tons of contents by pros and semi-pros Canary players and she has some dirty stuff that can't make her bottom 10 and it's the same thing for Wonder Woman.
 
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Kotal_Wannabe

AKA AndyPandy
I already posted my bottom 10 in page 3



I know it's far from being easy but I honestly tried my best, my list is probably wrong, because even now I doubt of my own and I want to change some things, but I won't because it'll be probably worse :DOGE.

i said that WoWo and Canary are for me not in the bottom 10 because I play both of these characters, I watched tons of contents by pros and semi-pros players and she has some dirty stuff that can't make her bottom 10 and it's the same thing for Wonder Woman.
I see, well you posted your list so props on that, thanks. Most are having more fun shitting on other people's lists, yet they're too afraid to post their own.
 

astronout

see you at the top.
I wasn't going to jump into what has turned into a "Why Canary Sucks" sucks thread, because other, much smarter players articulated arguments to that point? But who in this game actually outdamages Black Canary besides Black Adam? Did everyone forget this 700+ reset Compbros pulled off on Hayatei?

her damage isn't enough to warrant her being not outside of the top 10, as indicated by her lack of any meaningful results. simply put, if she was strong, strong players would be capitalizing off that fact and using her to place in tournaments.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
her damage isn't enough to warrant her being not outside of the top 10, as indicated by her lack of any meaningful results. simply put, if she was strong, strong players would be capitalizing off that fact and using her to place in tournaments.
Friendly reminder that Cyrax didn't place well until a year or two into MK9's life, and that was after he got nerfed several times.

Not saying you're wrong about her being bottom 10, just that this particular argument is misguided.
 

HellblazerHawkman

Confused Thanagarian
her damage isn't enough to warrant her being not outside of the top 10, as indicated by her lack of any meaningful results. simply put, if she was strong, strong players would be capitalizing off that fact and using her to place in tournaments.
Her worst MU is against Aquaman. Half of the FGC plays Aquaman in tourney.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
catwoman is overrated, she's in 7-12 range
darkseid has potential to be #1
firestorm is downplayed and really dumb, has braindead gameplan and comeback factor
deadshot is underrated now

bottom 3 is bane, *gap*, swamp thing, grodd

CW is not 7-12. I dont understand how a character like her could POSSIBLY be in the 7-12 range. She doesn't have a single "I win" button or string, I'll give you that, and her gameplan is more about outplaying someone and using her snakeshit crazy neutral options to roflstomp people rather than say, Aquaman's wtfeveritis string into Trident Rush into Grand Finals, or Bladam's itdoesntmatterwhatitouchyouwithsolongasitouchyouyoudieintwo advancing string into a nuclear bomb's worth of damage or F2up3rman's, well, f23.. But she has options in her kit to deal with pretty much *anything* in the game and as players get better with her*, she's only going to get stronger.

Darkseid I do not think is #1 at all. He's super good.. but he can be controlled and he has bad MUs.

Firestorm is probably quite good.. but a braindead gameplan doesnt really help your position on a tier list unless its also so out and out powerful that it shits on entire swathes of characters.. Queue Aquaman and Trident Rush mention.. and I dont see it. I could be wrong here, I dont have a ton of experience with FS, but I just havent seen anything yet that makes me think he's secret top tier. Super solid mid/upper mid? Absolutely.

I actually thoroughly agree on Deadshot. I think there was crazy hype that he was NUMBAH SINGLE ONLY POSSIBLE NO ONE CLOSE NUMBER ONE BROKEN LIKE FINE CHINA FIRED OUT OF A CANON INTO A CANYON WHOS BOTTOM HAS BEEN REPLACED BY ANOTHER CANYON THAT DIDNT HAVE A RIVER LIKE THAT BULLSHIT FIRST CANYON THAT LIED ON ITS RESUME AND WE FUCKING FLEW OUT HERE FOR THIS METAPHOR AND THE FUCKER HAD A RIVER AND THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY SAVED THE FUCKING PLATE SO WE HAD TO RENT ANOTHER GOD DAMN CANYON JESUS THIS HAS GONE PAST THE POINT OF BEING FUNNY ILL STOP NOW.. then people realized how powerful Aqua and Bladam were and slightly later, Catwoman, and so on.. causing Deadshot to sorta slip. I also think it became kinda un-cool in the competitive scene to say he was super duper Of Mice and Men strong too, because the idea was "if you were good enough to get around his zoning he's not as amazing" and no one wanted to admit they either werent good enough, or by the time they did they'd eaten so much damage it just didnt matter.. But I feel like the Deadshot mains have collectively been leveling up and really fleshing the character out.



*I am not saying you need a PHD to play Catwoman, or that she carries the difficulty that Ivy (as one example) does, etc. Simply that her top 5 or better strength comes from a reactive gameplan that has to do with playing GOOD footsies. Making things whiff. Forcing and punishing mistakes, etc. Coupled with her super safe offense and ability to punish the aforementioned mistakes from almost anywhere on screen into big damage into oki.. She's bonkers.
 

astronout

see you at the top.
Friendly reminder that Cyrax didn't place well until a year or two into MK9's life, and that was after he got nerfed several times.

Not saying you're wrong about her being bottom 10, just that this particular argument is misguided.
That's totally fair and i agree with you about it being a flawed argument. All I am saying is that when juxtaposed with the rest of the cast, I can't see how anyone can argue that she is definitively better than 9 other characters.