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Black Adam, the reason I don't think his is better then the top 2 is simple. He can be hit out of it and his trait requires him to be close. I feel like his trait would be more fair if the damage scaled within his combos and he received A HUGE DAMAGE NERF. 400+ of ANY CONVERSION SHOULD NOT BE OKAY!
Wait, wait....

You say this about Superman---

Superman, he gets big damage, free pressure and mixed with his fast attacks, can break all armored moves EVEN SUPERS. It is an EXTREMELY effective trait.
But you single out Black Adam for a damage nerf?? Despite his very exploitable shortcomings? Seriously?

It's funny you don't call for damage nerfs of Superman, Darkseid, Aquaman, Catwoman and Batman who does MAJOR damage as well. Hell, I've seen Akromaniac do 80%, let me repeat this..80% with Wonder Woman. But people get on Black Adam's case.

Funny that....
 

Kiko

Face it, you're done.
Wonder Woman's trait is really not that bad. Each buff does something unique and useful to her playstyle.

The only one people don't consider useful is the bracelet buff useful but Wondy can do some SERIOUS damage when people start using the bracelets optimally.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Wait, wait....

You say this about Superman---



But you single out Black Adam for a damage nerf?? Despite his very exploitable shortcomings? Seriously?

It's funny you don't call for damage nerfs of Superman, Darkseid, Aquaman, Catwoman and Batman who does MAJOR damage as well. Hell, I've seen Akromaniac do 80%, let me repeat this..80% with Wonder Woman. But people get on Black Adam's case.

Funny that....

Black Adam can get literally 400+ off ANY CONVERSION. I repeat this again... ANY CONVERSION. I have no problem with heavy hitting characters, hell joker can hit heavy if the situation fits but, AGAIN, Black Adam CAN DO 400+ OFF ANY CONVERSION. It's absolute nonsense. A character should not be able to hit like that. I've gotten D2'd By Black Adam and lost 420 health... OFF A D2... nahhhh stop lol
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Wait, wait....

You say this about Superman---



But you single out Black Adam for a damage nerf?? Despite his very exploitable shortcomings? Seriously?

It's funny you don't call for damage nerfs of Superman, Darkseid, Aquaman, Catwoman and Batman who does MAJOR damage as well. Hell, I've seen Akromaniac do 80%, let me repeat this..80% with Wonder Woman. But people get on Black Adam's case.

Funny that....
And Adam's damage averages 450-550 per ANY conversion. How many character can do that...
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Wait, wait....

You say this about Superman---



But you single out Black Adam for a damage nerf?? Despite his very exploitable shortcomings? Seriously?

It's funny you don't call for damage nerfs of Superman, Darkseid, Aquaman, Catwoman and Batman who does MAJOR damage as well. Hell, I've seen Akromaniac do 80%, let me repeat this..80% with Wonder Woman. But people get on Black Adam's case.

Funny that....
I'm sorry 420-550 gone to edit myself AND he has some of THE best strings in the game AND has some of THE best frame traps/advantages in the game ON TOP of his damage. It is absolutely ridiculous lol
 
I'm sorry 420-550 gone to edit myself AND he has some of THE best strings in the game AND has some of THE best frame traps/advantages in the game ON TOP of his damage. It is absolutely ridiculous lol
What?? have you not seen Superman battles??

(Superman fans, I am not picking on you and NOT asking for a nerf on his damage; just using him as an example)

I was just looking on Youtube at a Superman battle by Danny4mayor and he was averaging around 45% damage with Kal-El.....and often doing in excess. Not to mention superman is safe AS FUUUUUCK!!! His b2 is a 7 frame mid safe on block like wtf, he also has 3 INVINCIBLE WAKE UPS, and trait that breaks armor meanwhile black adam has none and 1 50+ combo that is a bnb.

Black Adam has no mix that are safe and his zoning options are negative af and no wake ups worth a damn.

This bares repeating----It's funny you don't call for damage nerfs of Superman, Darkseid, Aquaman, Catwoman and Batman who does MAJOR damage as well. Hell, I've seen Akromaniac do 80%, let me repeat this..80% with Wonder Woman. But people get on Black Adam's case.

Yeah, a'ight......
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
What?? have you not seen Superman battles??

(Superman fans, I am not picking on you and NOT asking for a nerf on his damage; just using him as an example)

I was just looking on Youtube at a Superman battle by Danny4mayor and he was averaging around 45% damage with Kal-El.....and often doing in excess. Not to mention superman is safe AS FUUUUUCK!!! His b2 is a 7 frame mid safe on block like wtf, he also has 3 INVINCIBLE WAKE UPS, and trait that breaks armor meanwhile black adam has none and 1 50+ combo that is a bnb.

Black Adam has no mix that are safe and his zoning options are negative af and no wake ups worth a damn.

This bares repeating----It's funny you don't call for damage nerfs of Superman, Darkseid, Aquaman, Catwoman and Batman who does MAJOR damage as well. Hell, I've seen Akromaniac do 80%, let me repeat this..80% with Wonder Woman. But people get on Black Adam's case.

Yeah, a'ight......
Now I'm not arguing that Kal's damage isn't excessive, HOWEVER, Kal's trait doesn't guarantee him damage unless HE GETS A HIT unlike ADAM. Adam has a wealth over overhead strings that can lock down his opponent, he can activate trait at anytime for FREE damage AND it gives him super frame advantage ON TOP OF THAT, FREE 420-550 or more damage OFF ANY CONVERSION. THAT IS WAY TOO EXCESSIVE.

Again, I won't argue Kal's damage or trait BUT 90% of the time turtle blocking Kal is hella effective and if he activates trait he's not getting FREE UNCLASHABLE DAMAGE. Note that in my comment on top 5 traits SUPERMAN WAS THERE.


As for wonder woman and the other characters that hit hard. THE SITUATION NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED FOR IT TO HAPPEN.

@Akromaniac27 Is my dude and a hella awesome player but he will tell you that you will not get 800 damage OFF of every hit conversion wonder woman gets.

I know for a fact wonder woman or almost any other character can get 420-550+ off ANY CONVERSION like Adam can.

Hell Joker can do almost 80% of your health in one combo IF, KEY WORD "IF", the OPPORTUNITY presented itself.

Great conversation by the way lol
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Now I'm not arguing that Kal's damage isn't excessive, HOWEVER, Kal's trait doesn't guarantee him damage unless HE GETS A HIT unlike ADAM. Adam has a wealth over overhead strings that can lock down his opponent, he can activate trait at anytime for FREE damage AND it gives him super frame advantage ON TOP OF THAT, FREE 420-550 or more damage OFF ANY CONVERSION. THAT IS WAY TOO EXCESSIVE.

Again, I won't argue Kal's damage or trait BUT 90% of the time turtle blocking Kal is hella effective and if he activates trait he's not getting FREE UNCLASHABLE DAMAGE. Note that in my comment on top 5 traits SUPERMAN WAS THERE.


As for wonder woman and the other characters that hit hard. THE SITUATION NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED FOR IT TO HAPPEN.

@Akromaniac27 Is my dude and a hella awesome player but he will tell you that you will not get 800 damage OFF of every hit conversion wonder woman gets.

I know for a fact wonder woman or almost any other character can get 420-550+ off ANY CONVERSION like Adam can.

Hell Joker can do almost 80% of your health in one combo IF, KEY WORD "IF", the OPPORTUNITY presented itself.

Great conversation by the way lol
I know for a fact wonder woman or almost any other character CAN'T get 420-550+ off ANY CONVERSION like Adam can.
 
Now I'm not arguing that Kal's damage isn't excessive, HOWEVER, Kal's trait doesn't guarantee him damage unless HE GETS A HIT unlike ADAM.
Did you just decide to ignore my comments on Adam? Here it is again---Black Adam has no mix that are safe and his zoning options are negative af and no wake ups worth a damn. Adam's trait means nothing if he gets hit...bye-bye trait. Superman still has his trait going strong, breaks armor and not to mention superman is safe AS FUUUUUCK!!! If Superman misses, no big deal. If Adam misses, it's punishment city.

Again, I won't argue Kal's damage or trait BUT 90% of the time turtle blocking Kal is hella effective and if he activates trait he's not getting FREE UNCLASHABLE DAMAGE.
So what? Adam has to be there in order to be effective. Hit Adam once, bye-bye trait.

You're nit-picking on the one distinguishing advantage (damage) Adam has on most of the cast. Repeat: most.

(Superman, Darkseid, Catwoman and Batman fans, I am not picking on you and NOT asking for a nerf on their damage; just using them as examples)

One can easily complain about other characters' advantages such as Catwoman's full screen dash; Batman's j2 and mix-ups or Darkseid's and Superman's (armor-breaking) HUGE damage. All four of them are great characters to play and can do HUGE damage just like Adam and have serious advantages that Adam doesn't.

But for some reason, you wanna leave them out and single out Adam for a damage nerf.

Uh-huh.....
 

LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
Did you just decide to ignore my comments on Adam? Here it is again---Black Adam has no mix that are safe and his zoning options are negative af and no wake ups worth a damn. Adam's trait means nothing if he gets hit...bye-bye trait. Superman still has his trait going strong, breaks armor and not to mention superman is safe AS FUUUUUCK!!! If Superman misses, no big deal. If Adam misses, it's punishment city.



So what? Adam has to be there in order to be effective. Hit Adam once, bye-bye trait.

You're nit-picking on the one distinguishing advantage (damage) Adam has on most of the cast. Repeat: most.

(Superman, Darkseid, Catwoman and Batman fans, I am not picking on you and NOT asking for a nerf on their damage; just using them as examples)

One can easily complain about other characters' advantages such as Catwoman's full screen dash; Batman's j2 and mix-ups or Darkseid's and Superman's (armor-breaking) HUGE damage. All four of them are great characters to play and can do HUGE damage just like Adam and have serious advantages that Adam doesn't.

But for some reason, you wanna leave them out and single out Adam for a damage nerf.

Uh-huh.....
Downplaying Black Adam...
WOW
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Did you just decide to ignore my comments on Adam? Here it is again---Black Adam has no mix that are safe and his zoning options are negative af and no wake ups worth a damn. Adam's trait means nothing if he gets hit...bye-bye trait. Superman still has his trait going strong, breaks armor and not to mention superman is safe AS FUUUUUCK!!! If Superman misses, no big deal. If Adam misses, it's punishment city.



So what? Adam has to be there in order to be effective. Hit Adam once, bye-bye trait.

You're nit-picking on the one distinguishing advantage (damage) Adam has on most of the cast. Repeat: most.

(Superman, Darkseid, Catwoman and Batman fans, I am not picking on you and NOT asking for a nerf on their damage; just using them as examples)

One can easily complain about other characters' advantages such as Catwoman's full screen dash; Batman's j2 and mix-ups or Darkseid's and Superman's (armor-breaking) HUGE damage. All four of them are great characters to play and can do HUGE damage just like Adam and have serious advantages that Adam doesn't.

But for some reason, you wanna leave them out and single out Adam for a damage nerf.

Uh-huh.....
Wait Adams negative? For real? On what? With or without trait cancel? I didn't know this?
 
Downplaying Black Adam...
WOW
Who said I was downplaying Adam?

I think that he great in the game and highly enjoy his gameplay. I'm just against people trying to nerf characters when it's not necessary. When the game first came out and fans were calling for Deadshot to get major nerfed, I was one of them to be honest. Then as time went by, I and others realized that it wasn't necessary to do that. I freely admit I was wrong to think that, especially so early at this stage and it would have been wrong to Deadshot fans.

Adam is great but he also has his weaknesses that others do not have.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Who said I was downplaying Adam?

I think that he great in the game and highly enjoy his gameplay. I'm just against people trying to nerf characters when it's not necessary. When the game first came out and fans were calling for Deadshot to get major nerfed, I was one of them to be honest. Then as time went by, I and others realized that it wasn't necessary to do that. I freely admit I was wrong to think that, especially so early at this stage and it would have been wrong to Deadshot fans.

Adam is great but he also has his weaknesses that others do not have.
Bro for real, if he's got weaknesses tell me. I'm not bullshitting here, you mentioned he was hella negative or some thing like that. On what? If I missed something that could help me in the MU after all my practicing please share lol
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Who said I was downplaying Adam?

I think that he great in the game and highly enjoy his gameplay. I'm just against people trying to nerf characters when it's not necessary. When the game first came out and fans were calling for Deadshot to get major nerfed, I was one of them to be honest. Then as time went by, I and others realized that it wasn't necessary to do that. I freely admit I was wrong to think that, especially so early at this stage and it would have been wrong to Deadshot fans.

Adam is great but he also has his weaknesses that others do not have.
Just because he's not completely broken that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be nerfed. Right now he's arguably the best character in the game and that's pretty much a consensus even from BA players. There's a bunch of top 10 or so characters that you can justify some type of nerf for. I think you're afraid he's gonna be butchered, but he's just going to be made more fair.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Just because he's not completely broken that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be nerfed. Right now he's arguably the best character in the game and that's pretty much a consensus even from BA players. There's a bunch of top 10 or so characters that you can justify some type of nerf for. I think you're afraid he's gonna be butchered, but he's just going to be made more fair.
I agree with this 100%, honestly I don't care about what he has but his damage is too excessive. Nerf his damage a bit and I think he'd be fair. My personal opinion of course.