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Thoughts on current state of tournament character selection (Adam/Aquaman)

I'm my opinion I think we should wait metas shift. All the characters being used now are all on the easier side Deadshot, atrocious, all IGAU top and high tiers. Let's wait as seen at CEO other characters can dominate. For all we know by Evo or after characters like fate,storm,Robin,crow,ivy,Grodd can all show up and be at the top. But like every other fighting game what is cheap and easy dominates at first.

For example SF5 S1 Nash and Ken dominated tournaments and as months went on characters like Nash, Vega, Sim all fell of while others such as Cammy, Chun li, Mika, Karin stated to stand out.

I think we should wait and see maybe after Evo before passing judgment on characters yet. I hope that's NRS plan I don't want rapid changes I rather players adapt and if still to prominent then Nerf.
QFT!!
 

SunsetBlvd

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This x 100.
i'd love to hear why you agree with that. if the tone of my post comes across as "blaming nrs" to you, i'd say that's more of a reflection of you and how you want to view it than anything i actually said. the post is quite clearly directed at a genuine concern, and quite clearly from a place of geuinely liking the game. nrs made a great game but there is a very rational and legitimate flaw, and there are ways to fix it. if you understand the evidence, which is very much there, this is not an argument. my original post is simply accurate.
 

SunsetBlvd

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how would you know? you registered on monday.
this has nothing to do with my original post. it doesn't prove anything or say anything at all. it's just someone trying to "expose" someone else for no reason, and the fact people upvoted it is really weird to me.

it's also simply wrong. i said this is "obvious to most of us at this point" regarding specifically the replies in this thread, threads on other forums, and perhaps most importantly, tweets and posts from pro players on this very issue. or the meme's floating around twitter with the I2 box saying "Aquaman, Adam, Superman 2". that's the "most of us" i was referring to.

the fact that i wanted to get more involved in the community and decided to stop lurking on TYM (which I've read for years) and finally made an account on monday has nothing to do with it, and wanting to use that fact to "expose me" for some weird reason is exactly the kind of thing that keeps people from getting involved with the community in the first place. hopefully you can see that, and think twice in the future.
 
this has nothing to do with my original post. it doesn't prove anything or say anything at all. it's just someone trying to "expose" someone else for no reason, and the fact people upvoted it is really weird to me.

it's also simply wrong. i said this is "obvious to most of us at this point" regarding specifically the replies in this thread, threads on other forums, and perhaps most importantly, tweets and posts from pro players on this very issue. or the meme's floating around twitter with the I2 box saying "Aquaman, Adam, Superman 2". that's the "most of us" i was referring to.

the fact that i wanted to get more involved in the community and decided to stop lurking on TYM (which I've read for years) and finally made an account on monday has nothing to do with it, and wanting to use that fact to "expose me" for some weird reason is exactly the kind of thing that keeps people from getting involved with the community in the first place. hopefully you can see that, and think twice in the future.
i dont have to think twice because i have already thought a bazillion times before and have led the buff/nerf discussion just as many times. i dont agree with you and i will not. the game is too young and will still be in months. the point to talk about adam and aquaman is when the developement of the meta has ceased and not when a character that was even considered shit tier just won a major against the supposed top 2 which were top 3 before there was barely a sign of superman in the ceo top 8. and only then we will precisely know why exactly adam and aquaman are above the rest, supposed they still will be, and what changes they might need. other than that anything will be premature tier shifting, which as we know now luckily didnt happen to deadshot because his tier shifted by itself.
 
i'd love to hear why you agree with that. if the tone of my post comes across as "blaming nrs" to you, i'd say that's more of a reflection of you and how you want to view it than anything i actually said. the post is quite clearly directed at a genuine concern, and quite clearly from a place of geuinely liking the game. nrs made a great game but there is a very rational and legitimate flaw, and there are ways to fix it. if you understand the evidence, which is very much there, this is not an argument. my original post is simply accurate.
That's a bit arrogant to assume your "post is simply accurate". Especially if you're truly interested in hearing other people. What you may think is "accurate", others may see it as flawed. However, if you really "love to hear why I agree with that" other poster.....

To start with----yes, I honestly do believe that you may have a "genuine concern, and quite clearly from a place of geuinely liking the game."

That being said, I don't think there is "a unique problem, because now you have a number of characters (Adam/Aquaman being the biggest offenders) that are very similar to their IGAU versions, and a game that is largely the same as the first one as well."

Eddie Wang's comment summed it up for me with this---"There is nothing or anyone to blame, the game is developing just as fast, not far ago everyone was so worried about Deadshot and everyone quick jumped the gun into nerfing the character." In this I agree. There was a time I thought Wonder Woman, Swamp Thing and Ivy were garbage. But I saw videos of these characters in capable hands and holy carp, was I impressed. In the hands of Akromaniac, Wonder Woman scares me. And if you think Sonic Foxx's Joker is only good against Batman, you got another think coming. This game is balanced if you know where to look. Just ask Whiteboi and Sonic.

Yeah, Black Adam may be powerful, but he definitely has his weaknesses that gets exploited. Nerfing him and other so-called "top tier' is not the answer.

Just my opinion on the subject.
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
Honesty.....I don't think they're bad and don't need to be majorly nerf. I notice characters like BA and Aquaman seem strong because they wreck anyone that sucks on defense and wants to be overly aggressive, but I have seen the same characters get picked apart by other "low tier" characters like Dr.fate. I also feel people are just taking an easy road, instead of wanting to work for their wins. I can on my hand how many of the BA in inj 1 are palying him in inj 2. Most of the Ba you see are just clowns looking for easy wins.
 
While the general sentiment of giving the meta time to shift on its own makes sense, it doesn't really apply to NRS games.

You can wait for the meta to shift in other games because they actually last longer than a couple of years. With NRS accelerated release structure, and this communities outright refusal to support more than one NRS game at a time waiting isn't a real answer. By the time it's confirmed that all this stuff is broken not enough people are still playing to bother fixing it.

NRS games need to be patched while they're still actually bring played.
 

Bes110

Noob
On topic though. I have a question. For people who want nerfs, how much better do you believe the best characters are relative to the average cast member?

Is it 10% better? 50%? Quantify it however you like, but how much better of a player does it take to compensate for this discrepancy in character ability?
 

Marlow

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So we just saw an Evo Top 8 in which Black Adam was played just a few times, and barely factored into the top 8. There was only 1 player who really played Aquaman, and he didn't even play Aquaman exclusive. Can we admit now that the state of the game has developed just fine without resorting to instantly nerfing characters?
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Honesty.....I don't think they're bad and don't need to be majorly nerf. I notice characters like BA and Aquaman seem strong because they wreck anyone that sucks on defense and wants to be overly aggressive, but I have seen the same characters get picked apart by other "low tier" characters like Dr.fate. I also feel people are just taking an easy road, instead of wanting to work for their wins. I can on my hand how many of the BA in inj 1 are palying him in inj 2. Most of the Ba you see are just clowns looking for easy wins.
This sums it up pretty perfectly.

They're both at that weird point where, yeah, they HAVE bs, but if this was how it was gonna be forever (and its probably not), it wouldn't be THAT bad.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
So we just saw an Evo Top 8 in which Black Adam was played just a few times, and barely factored into the top 8. There was only 1 player who really played Aquaman, and he didn't even play Aquaman exclusive. Can we admit now that the state of the game has developed just fine without resorting to instantly nerfing characters?
The top tiers are getting nerfs. Just because they aren't unbeatable doesn't mean they aren't still really stupid. All they need to do is slightly tone down the top tiers, bring some of the bottom tiers up a little bit and the game will be in great shape.
 

Da Tac0

GT: C88 Taco
Meh just reduce the chip damage from aqua man's trident rush and we're gravy. I don't have beef with black Adam
 

Shaka

Tier Whore.
Meh just reduce the chip damage from aqua man's trident rush and we're gravy. I don't have beef with black Adam
Agreed, people who think Adam has everything has obviously not lab him or just tried one combo or two and said he was op cause of easy damage but they don't realize that he has weaknesses as any other char. well most.

for example slow short backdash, no wake ups and with slow short backdash u can't even go for it on wake ups. Adam just gotta eat pressure no way around it.

Slow walk speed.

F12 is great but high so it gets low profiled. His best mids have short range.

D3 is useless.

B3 has short range, F3 is good.

J2 is great but he loses most air to airs other than divekick.