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Captain Cold/Mr. Freeze Match-Up Discussion

Cold's gameplan is not rocket science lol. He is not tricking anyone who have tools to check his special moves. I'll admit I haven't put in the hours to really grind every matchup, but I can assure you that I understand his design fully and the limitations that it has against most of the cast just due to how the game works.
Then you should understand his limitations are against characters that have REALLY good zoning. There's 5 or 6, but there's not a lot.
 

pogse

Ruthlesss Mayhem
you can't jump in on a decent bladam. F1 and D2 covers so much and then converts to 30%.
Have been having a lot more success with MB'ng roll behind opponent. if not a punish atleast get a grab/kd to throw off their focus when zoning.

Hope there is more tape of CC in CEO. I want moar info.
 

Earl

Noob
Deadshot is easier for me now. They all basically do the same thing. My strategy is to have the patience to walk them into the corner and do not do anything when you knock them down. Almost every single Deadshot does a wake up move. If they don't that is good because you keep them trapped. I spam throws over and over. It is annoying but F them since they would do the same thing back to you

Dr Fate, atrocity, black adam and Aquaman are my worst match ups. Aquaman's reach is ridiculous. When you fight a really good Dr fate it is damn near impossible to get in. Black adam is black adam

(yeah I know I said I was gonna drop him I still like the character lol)
 
Who are these 5-6 characters because the only character to my knowledge that outzones him is deadshot
It's not just zoning alone, it's also their ability to beat him in the neutral.

Black Adam, Deadshot, Super Girl, Poison Ivy, Aquaman, and maybe Dr. Fate. He's not that bad once trait is charged to lvl 2 or 3.
 
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RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Yea I'm no captain cold expert but have been playing him nonstop for the last 2 weeks and he seems very polarizing. I could be wrong but contrary so what some people here think, I believe he has some pretty favorable mus. For example I think he beats:
Fate
Cyborg
Scarecrow
Flash
Catwoman
Robin

Might go even with characters like:
Superman
Darkseid

But gets 8-2 by deadshot and aquamn and beat badly by other top tier like bladam and poison

I come from playing scarecrow where he didn't really have winning mus like cc but a lot of 5-5 and 4-6. No 2-8
Cold definitely get's bopped by Fate IMO, and CW isn't that bad for him but J2 definitely limits the use of D2 which is one of Cold's best normals. I think he does fine against any rushdown characters or characters that don't have a projectile and as a result allow Captain cold to throw out specials and toss out his traps.

Overall his normals and strings are mediocre to bad with a few standout ones like F2 and D2. F23 and 122 are the only strings that can be used in neutral since B232 would be great, but it currently hits all high (this has to change in the future...it is completely ridiculous). D1 for being 6 frames and a low you would assume would be godlike...but in reality it whiffs way more than it should and it doesn't really confirm into anything good. It is painfully easy to outzone him even if you are a zoning novice, and his tools when compared to others in neutral are far worse. His damage output with meter is however extremely good.

IMO with his current design he feels a lot like a watered down version of Cyrax from MK9 if Cyrax got like 1 bomb per match, was way slower, and had far less neutral tools.
 
Overall his normals and strings are mediocre to bad with a few standout ones like F2 and D2. F23 and 122 are the only strings thuat can be used in neutral since B232 would be great, but it currently hits all high (this has to change in the future...it is completely ridiculous). D1 for being 6 frames and a low you would assume would be godlike...but in reality it whiffs way more than it should and it doesn't really confirm into anything good. It is painfully easy to outzone him even if you are a zoning novice, and his tools when compared to others in neutral are far worse. His damage output with meter is however extremely good.
Yeah, I think d1 into ice puddle should connect. It sucks he can only punish -10 moves. Also, b232 can easily be high mid mid or just all mids. He really doesn't need much. It's just certain characters have a way better tool set. If they bring the top down a little, that would make for a way more balanced game.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Deadshot is easier for me now. They all basically do the same thing. My strategy is to have the patience to walk them into the corner and do not do anything when you knock them down. Almost every single Deadshot does a wake up move. If they don't that is good because you keep them trapped. I spam throws over and over. It is annoying but F them since they would do the same thing back to you

Dr Fate, atrocity, black adam and Aquaman are my worst match ups. Aquaman's reach is ridiculous. When you fight a really good Dr fate it is damn near impossible to get in. Black adam is black adam

(yeah I know I said I was gonna drop him I still like the character lol)
If there were 800 bars of meter available Deadshot would build all 800 against Captain Cold. A good Deadshot player will never be in the corner long against Cold.
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
Idk maybe I have to play more dr fates but I didn't feel it was bad at all. All I did was trait up between shots or read one good mb ice wall and then trait up and outzones him.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Fate is cancer, since you can't duck charge trait as you can with darkseid or deadshot, basically, you're stuck just stepping and that's it. No dash, no jump, no nothing.

Horrible. Horrible.
 
Fate is cancer, since you can't duck charge trait as you can with darkseid or deadshot, basically, you're stuck just stepping and that's it. No dash, no jump, no nothing.

Horrible. Horrible.
Honestly, the best way to deal with Fate is to just crouch ur way in. About mid screen, his projectiles should start going right over your head, even EXs. Once you get in good range for him to stop zoning, he'll most likely go for that shoulder charge. You can try raw ice puddle to catch/prevent him charging in or just him trying to walk back and forth, trying to space you. You'd be surprised how often you catch people with a raw ice puddle. It had good range and is a great tool to catch people trying to play footsies.

Hope this helps
 

Ninequads93

Beware your Fears
Honestly, the best way to deal with Fate is to just crouch ur way in. About mid screen, his projectiles should start going right over your head, even EXs. Once you get in good range for him to stop zoning, he'll most likely go for that shoulder charge. You can try raw ice puddle to catch/prevent him charging in or just him trying to walk back and forth, trying to space you. You'd be surprised how often you catch people with a raw ice puddle. It had good range and is a great tool to catch people trying to play footsies.

Hope this helps
Yup like he said^ b patient inch your way in while pushing him to the corner, learn the spacing on his f2 so you can whiff punish it with b2 , take the time to charge your trait if you hit them with a mb ice wall or end combo into charge, once you get to lvl 2 hold onto to it so u can contest his zoning with your upgraded blast , if you get them in the corner take advantage of it don't let them out use ice puddle or even ice block to stop them from trying to roll out of the corner a good player will look for his opportunity to do so. Never respect his orbs mb ice wall right through them, if you think they are going to f2 right away at the start of the round d2 will beat it clean. Learn his frame data of ankh push it varies depending on the string he does it after ,so I've heard from my training partner who uses Fate . Always watch out for mbf3 learn the spacing on that one as well so u can whiff punish. Mb roll is key in this matchup I usually do it after blocking a none mb fear blast about 3/4ths screen or midscreen. When about midscreen he'll stop going for fear blast as much and start trying to either get in his f2 range back away or do orb , it's on you to make a read shoot him if he tries to orb use Icecicles if he's trying to back up or come in and don't get hit by f2 lol I'll try and post some matches of our sets sometimes
 

pogse

Ruthlesss Mayhem
Putting this here. Got bodied by cheetah but was able to get some information on the MU. It might be general vs Cheetah, it's better to neutral within cheetahs Jump in range rather than 3/4s and farther where she could lunge and you have to do a read to counter or just block the jump in. react d2 is possible, it does give cheetah to lunge far then pounce to crossup.
 

Ninequads93

Beware your Fears
Putting this here. Got bodied by cheetah but was able to get some information on the MU. It might be general vs Cheetah, it's better to neutral within cheetahs Jump in range rather than 3/4s and farther where she could lunge and you have to do a read to counter or just block the jump in. react d2 is possible, it does give cheetah to lunge far then pounce to crossup.
Try baiting her lunge I go for a trait cancel then d2 on reaction , ice wall is not really gud against it since she hops right over it also try close icecicles
 

pogse

Ruthlesss Mayhem
Try baiting her lunge I go for a trait cancel then d2 on reaction , ice wall is not really gud against it since she hops right over it also try close icecicles
I'll try baiting with trait. close icicles value is random I guess against cheetah but will test it out.

labbed some options against deadshot and you can d2 after DSs B12U3 > BF3(knee)/BF1(gun). will hit DS if knee and duck on gun. space is far enough that you should recover safely if DS does nothing after B12U3.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Fate vaporizes Cold as i said. He can just do whatever he wants, it's a clear Zod vs Lex matchup right here.

We NEED air platform as a base move NOW!
 
I don't get Why all of Black Adam Thunder projectiles ignore the wall. This is what pisses me of more of Black Adam. This makes no sense. WTF?:(
 
I don't get Why all of Black Adam Thunder projectiles ignore the wall. This is what pisses me of more of Black Adam. This makes no sense. WTF?:(
The wall should eat up EVERYTHING as long as it's active. He gets pooped on by the best zoners in the game. It's ridiculous. MB wall eating MB projectiles like Black Adam's and Deadshot's would go a long way. It would help big time.
 

pogse

Ruthlesss Mayhem
I just learned last night that you could ice shield atrocitus tracking puddle. haven't yet checked the window of invulnerability against puddle or if it is viable enough to throw on a read and block on recovery. will see if atrocitus can react puddle the timing too.