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PS4 Pro is like a 5 years old PC and holding developers back...

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
A GTX 950 isn't exactly what this guy was talking about when he said consoles were holding games back. Lol
so what? Never said it was, that build and the comments it was in response to were completely irrelevant to the article, Pig only read the headline, and im not quite sure of Cossners point other than to seem edgy. Also, that article is also from today and that build from over a year ago, even if it was. The only point of showing that build was saying that it is capable to build a PC the same if not better for the same price range when someone unmistakeably just claimed the opposite. The point of the article is that PC's potential isnt being reached - and to do so would be impossible financially, not because its expensive design but because it literally would make these games unplayable to a massive portion of the market with the current state of console tech.


Looks like developers need to git gud and QQ less.

If games like Horizon Zero Dawn can run flawlessly with its gameplay and graphics, there's no excuses. That's as good as it gets and all that is really expected. No one is expecting PC style performance or graphics on console, that's silly.
The point is, thats not as good as it gets - thats as good as you think it gets. It's as good as it has been getting simply because thats what console tech is capable of, but much much more is capable for PC but developers can't afford to build games better than when it's wasted investment on 2/3 platforms and often has to be scaled back regardless for PC as a result, and thats what the article is saying. Developers would like to make much more graphically amazing games, and the tech is there for them to do so. Certain platforms make this unfeasible though.
 
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MadPropz101

"I still got it...but not much of it"
How is this news for anyone though?

For the price, Ps4 Pro is incredible.
My PC cost me around 1500 euros when i bought it (780ti, i7 4770k, 16gb ram), yet i've still to find a single PC game that looks nearly as good as any of the PC exclusives, just look at Uncharted 4 and Horizon.
Even a multiplatform game like Arkham Knight looks amazing on the Ps4, even the OG one.

Also idk if yall have watched E3 but that Spider-Man gameplay was by far the most incredible thing i've seen.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
How is this news for anyone though?

For the price, Ps4 Pro is incredible.
My PC cost me around 1500 euros when i bought it (780ti, i7 4770k, 16gb ram), yet i've still to find a single PC game that looks nearly as good as any of the PC exclusives, just look at Uncharted 4 and Horizon.
Even a multiplatform game like Arkham Knight looks amazing on the Ps4, even the OG one.
how are you missing that this is exactly the point? Games, especially multiplatform ones, will only ever be as strong as the weakest link in platforms. PC might look a bit better at the end of the day due to consoles losing some quality through the optimisation process for the weaker tech, but as you say its not going to be too different in most cases. The point is that it could be, and the games we have the potential to be playing on a PC can't be made until the console can play them too, because investments into something that PCs are capable of are just wasted funding for 2/3 consoles, or even worse would stop them from being able to run on it in a playable state at all. BTW 780ti is pretty outdated tech nowadays, that is not a 1500 dollar pc today if that is your platform you personally are obviously being held back by nothing. That doesnt mean that PC gaming as a whole is not being held back however.


Also idk if yall have watched E3 but that Spider-Man gameplay was by far the most incredible thing i've seen.
I guess you missed that Metro reveal huh
 
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Juggs

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so what? Never said it was, that build and the comments it was in response to were completely irrelevant to the article, Cossner and Pig only read the headline. Also, that article is also from today and that build from over a year ago, even if it was. The only point of showing that build was saying that it is capable to build a PC the same if not better for the same price range when someone unmistakeably just claimed the opposite.



The point is, thats not as good as it gets - thats as good as you think it gets. It's as good as it has been getting simply because thats what console tech is capable of, but much much more is capable for PC but developers can't afford to build games better than when it's wasted investment on 2/3 platforms and often has to be scaled back regardless for PC as a result, and thats what the article is saying. Developers would like to make much more graphically amazing games, and the tech is there for them to do so. Certain platforms make this unfeasible though.
That's as good as it needs to be for console in current gen. Developers need to start focusing on making quality, lasting gameplay rather than making a super duper shiny turd.

Would you rather have a 10/10 looking chick who is dumb as hell, no sense of humor, no personality and terrible in bed? Or a 7/10 looking chick who is smart as hell, great sense of humor, great personality and great in bed?

Some would just prefer the 10/10, but not me. With no substance, it's just a pretty face.
 

Nexallus

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What is the best PC with a really good graphics card that i can buy? I've been wanting to get a PC but I want to make sure it lasts, and is really good for games.

Also I have quite a budget, but any tips on saving money would be welcome.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
That's as good as it needs to be for console in current gen. Developers need to start focusing on making quality, lasting gameplay rather than making a super duper shiny turd.

Would you rather have a 10/10 looking chick who is dumb as hell, no sense of humor, no personality and terrible in bed? Or a 7/10 looking chick who is smart as hell, great sense of humor, great personality and great in bed?

Some would just prefer the 10/10, but not me. With no substance, it's just a pretty face.
you act as if it comes at the expense of quality. Have a look at Witcher 3, before it was scaled back for a commercial release.

And thats a game developed for all 3 platforms that overshot the mark. If it was developed for PC only it would be even prettier. Please don't try to tell me that Witcher 3 was a turd that lacked substance.
 

CrimsonShadow

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so what? Never said it was, that build and the comments it was in response to were completely irrelevant to the article, Pig only read the headline, and im not quite sure of Cossners point other than to seem edgy. Also, that article is also from today and that build from over a year ago, even if it was. The only point of showing that build was saying that it is capable to build a PC the same if not better for the same price range when someone unmistakeably just claimed the opposite. .
Yeah, but when they say the consoles are holding them back, I think they're referring to more enthusiast-level rigs/builds -- which as people pointed out, are indeed more expensive.

Like if you want to play Overwatch or PUBG, you can play them on whatever. But they aren't exactly moving PC gaming tech forward.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
What is the best PC with a really good graphics card that i can buy? I've been wanting to get a PC but I want to make sure it lasts, and is really good for games.
PM me and tell me your price range and intended use and any other preferences
 

Juggs

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you act as if it comes at the expense of quality. Have a look at Witcher 3, before it was scaled back for a commercial release.

And thats a game developed for all 3 platforms that overshot the mark. If it was developed for PC only it would be even prettier. Please don't try to tell me that Witcher 3 was a turd that lacked substance.
Never played it. So I don't know how to respond to this.
 
That's as good as it needs to be for console in current gen. Developers need to start focusing on making quality, lasting gameplay rather than making a super duper shiny turd.

Would you rather have a 10/10 looking chick who is dumb as hell, no sense of humor, no personality and terrible in bed? Or a 7/10 looking chick who is smart as hell, great sense of humor, great personality and great in bed?

Some would just prefer the 10/10, but not me. With no substance, it's just a pretty face.
10/10 for me please. Thanks for taking the ugly one.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Yeah, but when they say the consoles are holding them back, I think they're referring to more enthusiast-level rigs/builds -- which as people pointed out, are indeed more expensive.
definitely, and ive addressed the topic of the article many times in this thread

but thats not what Pig was saying at all, which is why my response to him is not relevant to the article. If you want to get on someone's case for saying something irrelevant to what was being said in the article - get on his, because thats the only reason my response also was.
 

Immortal

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When i see people / console players pointing PC players to look at Uncharted or Horizon. It's clear they have no idea what they're talking about. No technical knowledge at all. Both of those games while great and good looking are full of technical compromises.

And sure developers should focus more on games and especially on QA but there is no denying that PS4 Pro hardware, even Xbox One X is nothing special when compared to PC. And God + our employees only know how many months we spent on optimizing our games (Witcher 3 is the best example) so they would run decent on PS4 / X1, profiling tools, scene by scene and we just cut...cut and cut until we got quite stable frame time.

It is what it is, if you enjoy games on consoles - that's great, nothing wrong with that but there is no denying that you can do so much more on current PC.

Good example of recent FG which is imo total turd on PS4 Pro not to mention PS4/X1 is Tekken 7. PC version is superior in every aspect including graphics, loading times, way lesser build in latency for online and more.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Never played it. So I don't know how to respond to this.
Alright well it's an incredibly well recieved RPG that many people are fans of for pushing the genre forward in terms of writing and substance.


Whether or not you have played the game, you should probably read this (much shorter) article about their development issues, it's very relevant to the topic at hand and will probably give you a better insight to the impact consoles have on development, and maybe reinforce some statements being made so far by people actually in the industry.

http://whatifgaming.com/developer-insider-the-witcher-3-was-downgraded-from-2013-list-of-all-features-taken-out-why
 

gam224

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An intel i7 on the low end is 300$ For just a processor. A regular PS4 is also 300$
 

Juggs

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When i see people / console players pointing PC players to look at Uncharted or Horizon. It's clear they have no idea what they're talking about. No technical knowledge at all. Both of those games while great and good looking are full of technical compromises.

And sure developers should focus more on games and especially on QA but there is no denying that PS4 Pro hardware, even Xbox One X is nothing special when compared to PC. And God + our employees only know how many months we spent on optimizing our games (Witcher 3 is the best example) so they would run decent on PS4 / X1, profiling tools, scene by scene and we just cut...cut and cut until we got quite stable frame time.

It is what it is, if you enjoy games on consoles - that's great, nothing wrong with that but there is no denying that you can do so much more on current PC.

Good example of recent FG which is imo total turd on PS4 Pro not to mention PS4/X1 is Tekken 7. PC version is superior in every aspect including graphics, loading times, way lesser build in latency for online and more.
Who is even arguing this point though? Most serious gamers realize PC is objectively superior in almost every way. Consoles are cheaper and more convenient, you get what you pay for.
 

Immortal

Blind justice....
Thats not even half of what we took out of the game to make it run fine on PS4/X1. And while over time we added some of those things to PC version it's not even close to how the game looked with all the bells and whistles at the beginning. There is no shame in admitting we couldn't release it in that state on PC and gutted on PS4/X1, coz it would hurt our sales. So we toned down PC version a lot. Business.

And nobody is comparing price, coz thats not the point, no idea why people are bringing that argument over and over again.
 

CrimsonShadow

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When i see people / console players pointing PC players to look at Uncharted or Horizon. It's clear they have no idea what they're talking about. No technical knowledge at all. Both of those games while great and good looking are full of technical compromises.
Actually we knew exactly what we were talking about. The point was, they are still incredible games -- as *games*. Making a subpar game with amazing graphics (The Order, anyone?) really doesn't count for much in an era where there are so many legitimately great games coming out each year.

So the point was, if your game, as a *game*, is not as good as titles like that, stop complaining about the hardware and make better games.
 

Juggs

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For a guy named Juggs you seem to care more about personality than juggs.. 7/10 is ugly. That is C tier and that means Swamp Thing. I do not want a girl that looks like Swamp Thing.
I care about substance. You'll get bored and tired of the 10/10 far more quickly than you think. And 7/10 is not ugly, what are you even saying? 7/10 is your average chick who you see and say "she's pretty hot". Nothing amazing about 7's, but nothing wrong either. Ugly is 5/10 and below. 6/10's are 7's with some kind of flaw (too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short, etc).

Also, my name comes from Juggernaut, not tits. Just an FYI.
 
I care about substance. You'll get bored and tired of the 10/10 far more quickly than you think. And 7/10 is not ugly, what are you even saying? 7/10 is your average chick who you see and say "she's pretty hot". Nothing amazing about 7's, but nothing wrong either. Ugly is 5/10 and below. 6/10's are 7's with some kind of flaw (too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short, etc).

Also, my name comes from Juggernaut, not tits. Just an FYI.
I know what juggs are buddy I wasn't born yesterday. I know the difference of a 7/10 and a 10/10. I would never say a 7/10 is hot. ALSO, if they are too fat they are not in the 7 category.
 

Cossner

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qsLH6h

double as powerful as a PS4. 15% more expensive. This build was made over a year ago so you can do even better now, I don't care to try. Have fun.
The only thing more "powerful" here would be the 980, and you're missing stuff like the OS and fans. Also 450 is not 15% more than 250. The point of the article was to shit on the console specs. Nobody cares about the specs everyone just cares about quality games, plus the PC market is different than the console market. My cousins are not gonna build a custom PC. I have no idea what any of your responses are or your point is besides being edgy.