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Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
I know. I'm usually much better, but it's all i could come up with for "you must not block high" being a response for Batman.

See ya.
It was more in reference to his j2 which is the only thing I see that's really annoying about Batman.

Don't shake your salt on me. Go to the Batman that's been bodying you.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Let's see.

First he has a staggerable string with one of the longest reaching footsie tools in the game that leads to big boy damage.

He has a low projectile that mb has the same pushback as Deadshot's mb low shots

Activation of trait (unclashable, unblockable damage) can make ALL of his normals and strings safe...including up to +15 with guaranteed damage.

A fast, fullscreen, overhead divekick when mb'd is safe and leads to ANOTHER divekick on hit into HEAVY AF damage.

A mid zoning tool that trades well in black magic


But yeah, because Rico says his main is fine...must be fine *rolls eyes so hard it rips apart the fabric of time and space*
No one believes in Rocky anymore. We needed an Italian badass.
 
He's not a set up heavy char, ofc you could find some but they're not as strong as others.

Everyone lists his pros but not his cons.

Let's see...
Short Ranged slow backdash.
Average walk speed.
Average reversal/wake up attack(24frames of start up)
no OH/Low 50/50s.
Average AAs.

So yeah he's good just not unbeatable.
True he's not as heavy a setup character as say Darkseid, Cyborg or even Brainiac but I honestly believe he is supposed to be played that way to a degree. The problem is EVERYONE that plays Bladam only plays him 1 maybe 2 dimensional.

Yea he has a slow, short ranged backdash but he tends to always have meter. Pushblock becomes your friend. (I just started using it).

This goes for wake ups too. Lightning cage is useless on wake up now, so block 1st mixup, pushblock then back to neutral. Hello F12, which enhances his average walk speed.

And his overhead low mixups require meter with 112/B2 low lightning strike. On a side note, this also grants a lightning bomb against most of the cast with a few exceptions.

But still like you said he's good, just not unbeatable.
 

Nexallus

From Takeda to Robin
Yeah, but we didn't build shit for blocking insane pressure in mkx...

Hold that zoning xD
Yeah but honestly we should have built bar for blocking. Remember when everyone suggested block breakers to cost 1 bar? The same goes for this game.

I'm trying to come up with an alternative balance suggestion RATHER THAN NERFING ALL THE ZONERS. So if you would rather have every zoner nerfed, rather than change one game mechanic, be my guest. At this rate, the casuals will probably get zoners like Deadshot nerfed to the ground...
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
So I take it characters with pressure should be nerded too right?
I'm not saying his offense isn't strong, but that's his strength.
I'm really not seeing what's op about Batman.
Batman technically doesn't do any one thing OP except maybe his J2, he just eats ass in like every situation, he's a complete character and he's potato af.
 

wsj515

This is my billionth life cycle.
True he's not as heavy a setup character as say Darkseid, Cyborg or even Brainiac but I honestly believe he is supposed to be played that way to a degree. The problem is EVERYONE that plays Bladam only plays him 1 maybe 2 dimensional.

Yea he has a slow, short ranged backdash but he tends to always have meter. Pushblock becomes your friend. (I just started using it).

This goes for wake ups too. Lightning cage is useless on wake up now, so block 1st mixup, pushblock then back to neutral. Hello F12, which enhances his average walk speed.

And his overhead low mixups require meter with 112/B2 low lightning strike. On a side note, this also grants a lightning bomb against most of the cast with a few exceptions.

But still like you said he's good, just not unbeatable.
low lightning is only going to work consistently as a mixup online. Lightning bomb is probably still a bill, as far as I know we haven't found any setups that are actually useful.

Cross up tech is real though, with dive kicks in the corner and an ambiguous crossup after 223 mid screen by dashing in and neutral j2.
 

wsj515

This is my billionth life cycle.
Let's see.

First he has a staggerable string with one of the longest reaching footsie tools in the game that leads to big boy damage.

He has a low projectile that mb has the same pushback as Deadshot's mb low shots

Activation of trait (unclashable, unblockable damage) can make ALL of his normals and strings safe...including up to +15 with guaranteed damage.

A fast, fullscreen, overhead divekick when mb'd is safe and leads to ANOTHER divekick on hit into HEAVY AF damage.

A mid zoning tool that trades well in black magic


But yeah, because Rico says his main is fine...must be fine *rolls eyes so hard it rips apart the fabric of time and space*
Adam is really strong, but lists like this are silly. MKX was rife with people doing stuff like this. You can make any character look top 3 by taking their their best tools out of context and adding a little spin.

Also, if you are getting opened up by someone trying to stagger f12, you've got bigger problems.
 
If Adam has no set and mix up , Rico Suave should learn what the term ''Cross Up'' means and that Adam has a ''lightning bomb'' or whatever the move is that has nothing to do with set up right?
I mean ... listening to a ''guy'' no matter how popular he is on the 1st week after a game comes out is a little bit ''pleb level of stupidity''.
Same goes for the stuff Fox does and people don't punish him and ofc his Deadshot wall combos that ~3/4 of them are dropped or not optimal.
His "set up" orbs are fucking terrible lmao please dude , this huge upplay for adam needs to stop. Yes he is very strong rn but thats literally because of the high damage output. The character is fine otherwise , he has no wakeups which means it's very tough for him once they're in + his mid isn't that great either but it's not that bad. So stop making the character to be this kabal tier GOD that's unbeatable.
 

Shaka

Tier Whore.
His "set up" orbs are fucking terrible lmao please dude , this huge upplay for adam needs to stop. Yes he is very strong rn but thats literally because of the high damage output. The character is fine otherwise , he has no wakeups which means it's very tough for him once they're in + his mid isn't that great either but it's not that bad. So stop making the character to be this kabal tier GOD that's unbeatable.
Simple easy to use chars are always going to seem OP at first plus it doesn't help that he's a legacy char so everyone knows how to play him already.... in a few months more complex in depth chars are going to shine once players discover new tech and all.

def not a good idea to be asking for nerfs week one.
 

TheIrishFGCguy

Pew pew pew
The nerfs are coming. No point in trying to delay the inevitable. The casual market rule this game, and you can't look at a SonicFox video on Youtube without seeing an entire page of people calling this game Call of Duty or calling Fox a little bitch/pussy for "spamming". The witch hunt has started and it will not stop until Deadshot gets nerfed.

I for one am already at peace with the fact that my character is most certainly going to get nerfed in the first major patch. Fuck it. Bring on the tears until then. I'm still going to main Deadshot regardless of what happens to him.
 
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No patches yet... way too soon.

However, someone needs to beat him. Too bad Dizzy is NRS now... he took Sonic down last year at Combo Breaker.
I hate saying this cause I don't want to look like a hater but I don't understand why Dizzy's performance is so legendary on here. He won using character with an infinite, and Sonic was literally one combo away from taking the tournament after running it back all the way from losers. Guys like Wound Cowboy and Scar should be getting the praise that Dizzy does.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Yeah but honestly we should have built bar for blocking. Remember when everyone suggested block breakers to cost 1 bar? The same goes for this game.

I'm trying to come up with an alternative balance suggestion RATHER THAN NERFING ALL THE ZONERS. So if you would rather have every zoner nerfed, rather than change one game mechanic, be my guest. At this rate, the casuals will probably get zoners like Deadshot nerfed to the ground...
Thing is maybe zoning is ok and in no need of nerfs, including deadshot, and complainers are overreacting, as many people are suggesting.

I see people adapting. But nrs will please the casuals and make the game worst, as always.
 

Shaka

Tier Whore.
The nerfs are coming. No point in trying to delay the inevitable. The casual market rule this game, and you can't look at a SonicFox video on Youtube without seeing an entire page of people calling this game Call of Duty or calling Fox a little bitch/pussy for "spamming". The witch hunt has started and it will not stop until Deadshot gets nerfed.

I for one am already at peace with the fact that my character is most certainly going to get nerfed in the first major patch. Fuck it. Bring on the tears until then.
After DS there goes Adam, Batman, Aquaman and on and on...
 

Nexallus

From Takeda to Robin
Thing is maybe zoning is ok and in no need of nerfs, including deadshot, and complainers are overreacting, as many people are suggesting.

I see people adapting. But nrs will please the casuals and make the game worst, as always.
What I suggested isn't even a nerf, it's a gameplay mechanic change that will benefit the while cast.
 

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
The nerfs are coming. No point in trying to delay the inevitable. The casual market rule this game, and you can't look at a SonicFox video on Youtube without seeing an entire page of people calling this game Call of Duty or calling Fox a little bitch/pussy for "spamming". The witch hunt has started and it will not stop until Deadshot gets nerfed.

I for one am already at peace with the fact that my character is most certainly going to get nerfed in the first major patch. Fuck it. Bring on the tears until then. I'm still going to main Deadshot regardless of what happens to him.
Fun fact - that people who cry so much will still lose to him after nerfs even if they nerf his straight shot by 15 frames lol They are just bad players . Imo there is still hope for ds cuz people cried about full auto jaqui too and they did not nerf her . NRS put mb roll , air dashes , teleports , counter zoners in this game for reason . I hope they learned and will not listen to scrubs anymore.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
So why did he switch off deadshot when honeybee pushed his face in for 2 straight matches? Why doesn't he just solo main deadshot? We know why.
by this logic, release state Tanya was not at all overpowered at CEO, since every single person who placed with her swapped to a different character at some point in the top 8, including Sonic Fox, who swapped out from Tanya heaps. A Tanya player didn't even win the tournament. So she was totally fine I guess right?


Even a broken character isn't a guaranteed win, and when someone is starting to deal with what you are throwing at them sometimes it time to pick a character who sets a different pace to the match and hopefully throw them for a loop.



P.S. I'm not even in the category of people who think Deadshot should be nerfed right now, I'm all okay with waiting to see how the game pans out. Just these irrational arguments some of you people keep making are so. damn. dumb.
 

Redk9

Noob
by this logic, release state Tanya was not at all overpowered at CEO, since every single person who placed with her swapped to a different character at some point in the top 8, including Sonic Fox, who swapped out from Tanya heaps. A Tanya player didn't even win the tournament. So she was totally fine I guess right?


Even a broken character isn't a guaranteed win, and when someone is starting to deal with what you are throwing at them sometimes it time to pick a character who sets a different pace to the match and hopefully throw them for a loop.



P.S. I'm not even in the category of people who think Deadshot should be nerfed right now, I'm all okay with waiting to see how the game pans out. Just these irrational arguments some of you people keep making are so. damn. dumb.
Stop calling a character broken/busted if the best player in the scene can't garuntee wins with them. It goes against the definition. If deadshot has that many bad match ups he's not broken/busted. I didn't say he's not strong. He's very strong. There will always be strong characters, but as I said before he's not broken. Don't reference another game in your response and don't call an argument stupid. Explain to me what part of my statement you are disagreeing with.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Stop calling a character broken/busted if the best player in the scene can't garuntee wins with them. It goes against the definition. If deadshot has that many bad match ups he's not broken/busted. I didn't say he's not strong. He's very strong. There will always be strong characters, but as I said before he's not broken. Don't reference another game in your response and don't call an argument stupid. Explain to me what part of my statement you are disagreeing with.
1.) I didn't call the character busted. I said word for word, that I am all okay with waiting to see how the game pans out. It's right there in the post you quoted. I said Sonic called the character busted. The guy who's skills you keep using as your point of reference. So it's kind of a thin argument you have, and that's what my point has been.

2.) I did explain my logic. You are now stating that release state Tanya was fine, as the best player in the scene couldn't guarantee every single win with her. Go watch CEO and see why this logic that "SonicFox lost some games, character can't possibly be OP" is so empty.
 

South

I'd rather SHOW than TELL ~ Poison Ivy
DeadShot zoning got nrs scrubs mad?
When you have blazblue zoning and Peacock in in skullgirls n etc who's zoning IS way worse than DeadShot... nrs players have it easy I bet most y'all don't know b12up has a gap after everyhit n every character can punish? Or how if they do b12d3 it's -9 with no pushback lol or if they try to do b12boumce cancel it has a gap... or how after f123 you can block the f12 n crouch WITHOUT blocking and the bullets will whiff thus allowing a whiff punish or maybe how his walk back WC mb is -16 on block allowing a mb roll or dash after or how between the second n third shot a few characters can super in between or everyone can backdash, or how his stand still WC mb is -21 n has a lot of recovery on whiff? Enough for sum characters to punish n sum to mb roll on? His walk forward WC mb is -1 but it takes in to jump in range lol... his regular low rifle is -12 on block n takes forever to do anything after so guess what you can mb roll in (that means full screen too) his trick shot nmbtrick shot are punishable to... only his db2 n WC are safe and recover almost instantly and both are highs... I also like how people complain about deadshot while black Adam, aquaman, atrocitus, batman, etc and just as good if not better.