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Why Discord is ruining the community

Not even close

In a group I'm in there's over 2000 messages a day

Most people stopped posting info here because trolls/bad apples were allowed to run a muck and dare for a second if one of us defended ourselves and lashed out on one of these clowns I got MKIIBILL or whatever the fuck his name is sending me infraction warnings. Infractions? I'm not in third grade....so we all just choose to discuss elsewhere. It's way easier and we don't put up w bs.

For those thirsty for knowledge I suggest check my YouTube and reo's YouTube and all the top player streams
So can we join this Discord too? Id like to just find fast matches against good people instead of weeding through player matches.
 

RoboCop

The future of law enforcement.
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anyone heard of the cellphone ? It's so much better than a landline!

I like TYM but discords are the new thing. They're more character specific and with more like minded individuals. Most people don't like it because they don't know how to use it, don't know which servers are there, and are scared of change. People just want tech to learn easily instead of actually loooking for it.

Here is the general NrS community discord, less bitching and more focus on gameplay
https://discord.gg/6GYuGd
Thanks for coming onto TYM to talk about how dated TYM is, how dumb it's users are, and how we should use another service instead (if we can even figure it out). Very classy.
 

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
I can't speak for everyone else, but every single thing I have in discord I have here on TYM. So it doesn't really bother me when they say "oh fuck you because you guys are hiding shit" I don't see the benifit of hiding anything that's stupid anyway. Either way I like both platforms. I'll continue to chat on both man they both offer something I like.
 

Cashual

PSN: Cansuela
Yeah, one of my biggest disappointments with the game and community thus far has been the lack of discussion here on tym.

I'm brand new to injustice after having played mkx and enjoyed and taken advantage of all the advice, tech, combos and matchup knowledge here on tym, so I was counting on people here to help me along in I2.

Until a day or two ago, I couldn't even find character specific forums, and I was googling characters and test your might and was getting igau threads instead.

I understand that legacy characters are very similar, but still I was pretty surprised to see that well known loyalists didn't seem interested in creating character combo threads.

I understand that it's everyone's responsibility to develop the game and characters for this community to thrive, but I've just been surprised to find that relatively speaking, not much of that discussion has taken place here. Hopefully that will change.

Thanks to storms and sneakytortoise for adding the character thumbs to the homepage and attempting to make it as easy as possible to find and post the info.

Really dumb unrelated question: how do I post threads?

I'm in Mexico this week and am still fiending to play the game haha
 

Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
I've been saying this since I came back to this site:
It's making it really hard for anyone whose looking for information. I play this game often at the AFK gaming lounge and I try telling people where I get my info, clearly from here. Well used to.
They looked it up and didn't find much and resorted to YouTube.
While one could say "Just lab yourself and see what you can find"
Not all of us have the time. We have school and work. So we need something quick
This site just doesn't seem to be as resourceful as it was when I played INJ2 and MKX. And having to download another app and have it use background data is just Inconvienient for people.

Understand apps still use data, not everyone has unlimited data. Another unfair part I think.

But hey, I'll take what I can for now.
This place does seem very very dead compared to how fast tech and all that was released on other games release within just days
 

SM StarGazer

The voice of reason in a Sea of Salt
Im the only person in the Spawn discord. I see no reason to invitie you vile, unrelenting, poo-poo, hairless monkeys into the World of EternalLight, Spawntopia.


in the immortal words of Charlie Day.......GO FUCK YASELF!!!!
 
Maybe it's just because I've frequented this site in the past and don't have a ton of experience using discord but for posting tech/combos/etc I can't imagine how discord is better for new players especially. Just to get on discord you need to 1.) know it exists 2.) find an invite to the correct character discord 3.) figure out how to search discord for what you're looking for (I guess you could just ask but I feel like people asking for the same basic info would clog up a channel too much. If info was just posted here it'd just be one google search away. I'm all for discord but I wish there was more info/discussion here to.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
So can we join this Discord too? Id like to just find fast matches against good people instead of weeding through player matches.
Yes but im gonna be honest w you, the discords usually are just as bad. Everyone and their mother are in those things posting memes constantly, bs pics, etc which is why I just do my group on twitter and unfortunately twitter has a max of 50

I'm willing to help anyone learn and when I do make video guides or such I post them here
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
If you want matches you can post it in the status update and the system your on and someone will jump in and play you relatively quickly.
I don't think I have ever posted a looking for matches status update and not found games within 5-10m. At least in MKx.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Yeah the fact that the moderation on TYM is so lax and people on here will literally mock and abuse people just for having a different opinion is a large motivation for many people to use a Discord for their character. This site may suffer as a result, but it suffers because people want a non-toxic environment to discuss the game/their character. Blaming people for using Discord isn't the answer, you aren't going to guilt anyone into posting on TYM. Ask yourself instead how you can make people want to use TYM, and accept that it's going to take time. It's not going to drive everyone else, but you simply can't have a bunch of people posting "retinal aids" "visual cancer" etc in response to a post somebody made about their opinion on a character/game however inaccurate it may have been, and expect everyone to want to post it here again lol. It breaks down to: do you want to keep TYM as a mostly self-moderated free for all? Or do you want to take a more involved method towards the member experience and make TYM a friendlier place? Either one is fine, but you really cant surprised when people are given the option of posting to the exact same character audience except without the toxicity, that is the place that a lot of them will choose to post it.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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Yeah the fact that the moderation on TYM is so lax and people on here will literally mock and abuse people just for having a different opinion is a large motivation for many people to use a Discord for their character. This site may suffer as a result, but it suffers because people want a non-toxic environment to discuss the game/their character. Blaming people for using Discord isn't the answer, you aren't going to guilt anyone into posting on TYM. Ask yourself instead how you can make people want to use TYM, and accept that it's going to take time. It's not going to drive everyone else, but you simply can't have a bunch of people posting "retinal aids" "visual cancer" etc in response to a post somebody made about their opinion on a character/game however inaccurate it may have been, and expect everyone to want to post it here again lol.
3 things on this (and these are from years of observation):

1) The same people who complain about harsh replies to their posts, will vigorously defend *their own* right to reply harshly to any posts they don't particularly like.

2) TYM is actually one of the more heavily-moderated gaming fan forums. If you don't believe me, take a stroll through any community for CS:GO or LoL (or just play those games) so you can get a glimpse of what real toxicity really is.

If you can't handle someone not liking your tier list, on a forum created to support an M-rated game franchise, you just need to grow a thicker skin.

3) At all times TYM is accused of being both over and under-moderated. If you let people relax, it's "Where are the mods/the site is a mess", and if you crack down it's "no fun allowed/over-moderating".

I've worked really hard to get things to a place that I feel is a better balance (you might remember the days of every other thread being closed and people being banned on a moment's notice) -- but the truth is that on a large site, your users will generally never all agree or be satisfied.

Oh and there's a small 3.5, which is:

3.5) There's generally a tendency for people to want behavioral limits to scale by popularity of the poster. Meaning that if you're popular, then you can say whatever you want to anyone; but if a lesser-known person says the same thing, they need to be moderated into oblivion.

This creates obvious problems for fair treatment of everyone, and it's part of the reason that the most well-known members of any public community generally cannot coexist in a place where everyone can speak freely. This is neither the fault of the forum nor those players; it's simply what happens inevitably 'when things get big'.

Anyway, that's my 2c as someone who's been dealing with this directly here since 2012.
 
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Eldriken

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Yeah the fact that the moderation on TYM is so lax and people on here will literally mock and abuse people just for having a different opinion is a large motivation for many people to use a Discord for their character. This site may suffer as a result, but it suffers because people want a non-toxic environment to discuss the game/their character. Blaming people for using Discord isn't the answer, you aren't going to guilt anyone into posting on TYM. Ask yourself instead how you can make people want to use TYM, and accept that it's going to take time. It's not going to drive everyone else, but you simply can't have a bunch of people posting "retinal aids" "visual cancer" etc in response to a post somebody made about their opinion on a character/game however inaccurate it may have been, and expect everyone to want to post it here again lol. It breaks down to: do you want to keep TYM as a mostly self-moderated free for all? Or do you want to take a more involved method towards the member experience and make TYM a friendlier place? Either one is fine, but you really cant surprised when people are given the option of posting to the exact same character audience except without the toxicity, that is the place that a lot of them will choose to post it.
If you think it's laxed, REPORT IT. We cannot and will not be able to catch everything. Tag us. PM us. Just don't sit there, let it happen and think someone WILL stumble upon it.

If y'all find something wrong with the site, approach us directly instead of expressing your dislike of something via complaining or being condescending about mods.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
3 things on this (and these are from years of observation):

1) The same people who complain about harsh replies to their posts, will vigorously defend *their own* right to reply harshly to any posts they don't particularly like.
That really doesn't matter, when in rome everyone's gonna keep doing it unless its changed, at which point everyone has to stop or get infracted. That's what administrations job is to decide where the line is drawn. The people defending that right are exactly the people that rule would be brought in to deal with, if it was a rule you want. If it's not a rule that we want, because TYM is preferred to be laxer, thats cool as well, but you cannot complain that a lot of people go elsewhere instead.

2) TYM is actually one of the more heavily-moderated gaming fan forums. If you don't believe me, take a stroll through any community for CS:GO or LoL (or just play those games) so you can get a glimpse of what real toxicity really is.
Honestly I don't believe you, as I've been on about 20 different forums and even the least moderated of which was double as moderated as this. Maybe CS:GO is the exception I don't play that shit competitively and dont check their forums, won't speak on it. But it's certainly not the standard.

If you can't handle someone not liking your tier list, on a forum created to support an M-rated game franchise, you just need to grow a thicker skin.
This is where it gets stupid. People are literally not even signing up for your website because they don't want to deal with toxicity, and you think telling them "toughen up" is going to cause someone to rethink that? You don't have to tell me, I have over 2000 posts. Some (many) people prefer the friendly communities on Discord, telling them to eat cement won't make them suddenly question their decision. Its the mods asking them to come here, and not the other way around. Remember that.

3) At all times TYM is accused of being both over and under-moderated. If you let people relax, it's "Where are the mods/the site is a mess", and if you crack down it's "no fun allowed/over-moderating".

I've worked really hard to get things to a place that I feel is a better balance (you might remember the days of every other thread being closed and people being banned on a moment's notice) -- but the truth is that on a large site, your users will generally never all agree or be satisfied.
Yup, hence why its up to the people in charge of running the site to decide what they want. Nothing will ever please everybody, and as you said, some people will defend vigorously their right to attack other people, and on the flip side of the spectrum, some people will complain that TYM is too toxic and instead take their discussions elsewhere. It's up to the administration what they prefer, but if they prefer to allow it, thats cool - you can't complain when those people do go elsewhere when they find a place that they don't have to deal with it - its what they said they wanted. lol

Oh and there's a small 3.5, which is:

3.5) There's generally a tendency for people to want behavioral limits to scale by popularity of the poster. Meaning that if you're popular, then you can say whatever you want to anyone; but if a lesser-known person says the same thing, they need to be moderated into oblivion.

This creates obvious problems for fair treatment of everyone, and it's part of the reason that the most well-known members of any public community generally cannot coexist in a place where everyone can speak freely. This is neither the fault of the forum nor those players; it's simply what happens inevitably 'when things get big'.
Absolutely, I've seen this myself, and it's obviously a completely fucked way of a forum being run. Hence why "rules" have to just be "rules for everybody". That shouldn't even be a question, no matter how strict or lax the rules may be.




Discord is a great tool and TYM's flaws are far from the only reason that it's popular. However, it is definitely contributing to why people discuss their characters amongst a community of just themselves, and as a result, contributes to why tech gets posted in those chats instead of on here. That's not going to change without changing TYM. I'm not advocating for change on TYM. I don't care, I post here either way. I'm saying what in my opinion, TYM has to do if IT wants that to change. If it doesn't want to change, that's fine too. To make it absolutely clear, I'm not advocating shit, just explaining why Discord is popular, and I know this much because people have outright said as much. The owner of the Brainiac discord doesn't even have a tym ACCOUNT lol, how's he gonna wanna post it on here? Before the release of I2, there was a MOD of the TYM Discord channel who said he hadn't even checked TYM itself in months and doesn't plan ever go back until he needs I2 combos, because TYM is so toxic and he doesn't even wanna READ that shit let alone deal with it, and Discord is a real community. I've heard a hundred similar accounts from people about Discord since I joined it and started pushing for it's growth here on TYM, and more since the release of I2 within the individual character communities. Take this stuff into account, or don't, but it's just explaining why people aren't posting on here as much but everything is on Discord.
 
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God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
If you think it's laxed, REPORT IT. We cannot and will not be able to catch everything. Tag us. PM us. Just don't sit there, let it happen and think someone WILL stumble upon it.

If y'all find something wrong with the site, approach us directly instead of expressing your dislike of something via complaining or being condescending about mods.
What's condescending to the mods? Don't take it so personal, not everything said about mods is an attack on mods. I'm not being condescending even in the tiniest way. I'm flatly commenting on how this site is run, it's been openly stated as much. Moderation is light because we feel this site is better being mostly "self moderated" when possible. I don't know the exact words but that's paraphrasing an almost direct quote from one of the lead administrators sometime last year. It's not condescending to speak on this decision, it's not a personal attack on moderators, it's simply how this site has been chosen to operate, which is fine, I'm not even saying I want it changed, my driving point here is that you cannot be surprised when you lose the members who don't want to have to deal with that and the toxic behaviour that it results in, and don't feel that you should have to "toughen up" or "grow thicker skin" just to play a video game.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
That really doesn't matter, when in rome everyone's gonna keep doing it unless its changed, at which point everyone has to stop or get infracted. That's what administrations job is to decide where the line is drawn. The people defending that right are exactly the people that rule would be brought in to deal with, if it was a rule you want. If it's not a rule that we want, because TYM is preferred to be laxer, thats cool as well, but you cannot complain that a lot of people go elsewhere instead.


Honestly I don't believe you, as I've been on about 20 different forums and even the least moderated of which was double as moderated as this. Maybe CS:GO is the exception I don't play that shit competitively and dont check their forums, won't speak on it. But it's certainly not the standard.


This is where it gets stupid. People are literally not even signing up for your website because they don't want to deal with toxicity, and you think telling them "toughen up" is going to cause someone to rethink that? You don't have to tell me, I have over 2000 posts. Some (many) people prefer the friendly communities on Discord, telling them to eat cement won't make them suddenly question their decision. Its the mods asking them to come here, and not the other way around. Remember that.


Yup, hence why its up to the people in charge of running the site to decide what they want. Nothing will ever please everybody, and as you said, some people will defend vigorously their right to attack other people, and on the flip side of the spectrum, some people will complain that TYM is too toxic and instead take their discussions elsewhere. It's up to the administration what they prefer, but if they prefer to allow it, thats cool - you can't complain when those people do go elsewhere when they find a place that they don't have to deal with it - its what they said they wanted. lol


Absolutely, I've seen this myself, and it's obviously a completely fucked way of a forum being run. Hence why "rules" have to just be "rules for everybody". That shouldn't even be a question, no matter how strict or lax the rules may be.




Discord is a great tool and TYM's flaws are far from the only reason that it's popular. However, it is definitely contributing to why people discuss their characters amongst a community of just themselves, and as a result, contributes to why tech gets posted in those chats instead of on here. That's not going to change without changing TYM. I'm not advocating for change on TYM. I don't care, I post here either way. I'm saying what in my opinion, TYM has to do if IT wants that to change. If it doesn't want to change, that's fine too. To make it absolutely clear, I'm not advocating shit, just explaining why Discord is popular, and I know this much because people have outright said as much. The owner of the Brainiac discord doesn't even have a tym ACCOUNT lol, how's he gonna wanna post it on here? Before the release of I2, there was a MOD of the TYM Discord channel who said he hadn't even checked TYM itself in months and doesn't plan ever go back until he needs I2 combos, because TYM is so toxic and he doesn't even wanna READ that shit let alone deal with it, and Discord is a real community. I've heard a hundred similar accounts from people about Discord since I joined it and started pushing for it's growth here on TYM, and more since the release of I2 within the individual character communities. Take this stuff into account, or don't, but it's just explaining why people aren't posting on here as much but everything is on Discord.
The ironic thing is that your reasons are exactly *opposite* a lot of other peoples.

Which just serves to reinforce my point: everyone will never collectively agree on what they want. Which makes this a natural process that happens when a community gets bigger.

But with that said: I've also been in some of the more exclusive long-term conversations this community has had, to which outsiders were not invited, and watched them split apart (with only mostly well-known names) due to similar issues. In the end, some people will just not agree with each other and that's natural.

You won't see me complaining about it -- I just tell it like it is. It's up to everyone in the end to make their own decisions.
 
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Eldriken

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What's condescending to the mods? Don't take it so personal, not everything said about mods is an attack on mods. I'm not being condescending even in the tiniest way. I'm flatly commenting on how this site is run, it's been openly stated as much. Moderation is light because we feel this site is better being mostly "self moderated" when possible. I don't know the exact words but that's paraphrasing an almost direct quote from one of the lead administrators sometime last year. It's not condescending to speak on this decision, it's not a personal attack on moderators, it's simply how this site has been chosen to operate, which is fine, I'm not even saying I want it changed, my driving point here is that you cannot be surprised when you lose the members who don't want to have to deal with that and the toxic behaviour that it results in, and don't feel that you should have to "toughen up" or "grow thicker skin" just to play a video game.
I wasn't specifically referring to you, dude. I was speaking in general.

I quoted you mainly for the first part of my post. The second was mainly a "just putting it out there" type thing.
 

BookBurning

Voidwards
@WB-chan

I think Juggs was just saying to be mindful is all, not that anyone has to do anything per-say. These threads get blown way out of proportion and people get heated, that concept is still fresh in my mind lmao.

Discord never stops running on my PC for good reason, but there are some people who don't have it and I think the point was that it'd be nice if they were just included too. Both TYM and Discord are tools for different people and both for some like me.
 

wsj515

This is my billionth life cycle.
@WB-chan Where is this high level of toxicity? I honestly don't see any more toxicity here than anywhere else on the internet. I feel like toxicity has lost its meaning and become a buzzword for people disagreeing with your opinion. Its not like people are telling other people to kill themselves, etc.

I'm in the Black Adam discord, and they're literally discussing unoptimal day 1 combos. These are people who I saw post in the general discussion asking for a discord link, and have obviously never looked back. Not saying its the root cause of the diminishing volume of discussion, but its definitely contributing.
 

sars

Noob
I saw a post the other day where people said they were on discord cause they didn't want to share there tech cause it would get there character nerfed. When did America become so bad where they won't share there tech with other players. All other countries do it.
 

haketh

Noob
I saw a post the other day where people said they were on discord cause they didn't want to share there tech cause it would get there character nerfed. When did America become so bad where they won't share there tech with other players. All other countries do it.
They don't lmao

Where did this myth come from
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
The ironic thing is that your reasons are exactly *opposite* a lot of other peoples.

Which just serves to reinforce my point: everyone will never collectively agree on what they want. Which makes this a natural process that happens when a community gets bigger.

But with that said: I've also been in some of the more exclusive long-term conversations this community has had, to which outsiders were not invited, and watched them split apart (with only mostly well-known names) due to similar issues. In the end, some people will just not agree with each other and that's natural.

You won't see me complaining about it -- I just tell it like it is. It's up to everyone in the end to make their own decisions.
yup, i agree, and as a result of this the people who have disagreed with the way this site is have focused on something they prefer. You can't bring them back without changing what TYM is. Or making Discord equally flamey I guess :p

I wasn't specifically referring to you, dude. I was speaking in general.

I quoted you mainly for the first part of my post. The second was mainly a "just putting it out there" type thing.
my bad, I thought it was directed at me, if it was just generalized then i agree with what you said, but I would also like to mention that the report function doesn't clean up what im talking about - its not even against the rules to post in someone's thread "pure retinal aids" "threads like this is why TYM is cancer nowadays" etc and other favorite toxic catchphrases i see on here that would get you warned once and banned the second time on other forums, and drives off a lot of people not interested in it. I've done it myself, I don't even care anymore because i know its how TYM is and will likely never change. But other people who do care know this too and hence choose to keep their activity to a Discord


@WB-chan Where is this high level of toxicity? I honestly don't see any more toxicity here than anywhere else on the internet. I feel like toxicity has lost its meaning and become a buzzword for people disagreeing with your opinion. Its not like people are telling other people to kill themselves, etc.

I'm in the Black Adam discord, and they're literally discussing unoptimal day 1 combos. These are people who I saw post in the general discussion asking for a discord link, and have obviously never looked back. Not saying its the root cause of the diminishing volume of discussion, but its definitely contributing.
post a thread about how good or bad you think a certain character is right now and see what happens