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The Problem With Deadshot

IMakeItL00kC00L

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
This is the conclusion I came for this 1st week of playing too. I don't care if a character has good zoning. I don't care if a character has 50/50s. I don't care if a character has good normals. If a character has all 3 of them then the warning signs go off saying that a character might be really friggin good and may have to be toned down depending on how good other characters in the cast are. We'll probably have to see how good other characters are but the fact that DS has every almost every single tool you would want except for high midscreen damage is concerning imo
 
Krabman

Krabman

Noob
ismael4790 said:
You know game came out last week right? Balance conversations make no sense now, since absolutely nobody can see the whole picture yet because it's virtually impossible to have enough knowledge of the game to say "this is balanced" or "this is unabalanced". Early nerfs destroy characters and potentially leave them in a bad position for a long time, same as early buffs can immensely boost characters that now could be perceived as bad ones, but have hidden potential that can't be seen in one week.

Anyway, I'm dead sure Deadshot will be overnerfed and left to rot, same as I'm sure this community will never learn to wait and let the game play out before trying to change it.
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The game isnt as complex as some of you are making it out to be lol... its pretty obvious how wack his strings are to go with the best zoning in the game.
 
DubiousShenron

DubiousShenron

Beware my power.
FL Rushdown said:
Deathstroke is not in the conversation for strongest humans in the DC Universe. Like he's laughably far away from being in the conversation.
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Ok well you're just further proving the point that deadshot is dirt in the DC universe in terms of power ranking. I'll take that

Deathstroke still an incredibly powerful human though
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Krabman said:
The game isnt as complex as some of you are making it out to be lol...
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Do you remember when it was "incredibly obvious" that CSZ was Top 3 on KP release, with the same witch hunt, regardless of how many people like myself, REO, etc tried to show you all how to fight the character? Remember how he was starting to get figured out but it didn't matter because he got bomb nerfed in less than 30 days and never recovered and was barely used for the remainder of the game? Remember how the post nerf concensus was "he wasn't as bad as we thought"? Remember how no one noticed Alien that entire time, calling him "likely low mid tier" while they complained about CSZ, and Alien turned out the most broken of all?

Remember in SFV when Dhalsim was "broken with OP zoning that needed to be nerfed ASAP"? Remember when he was considered Top 3? Remember when a couple of months passed and people realized he wasn't that great once they learned the MU and he ended up low tier?

Remember in Tekken when Claudio was easily Top 5? Remember when other characters got nerfed and he barely got touched? Remember the outrage that he wasn't nerfed harder? Remember when many months passed and people learned the MU and he became a solid middle of the pack character and still is currently?

Nah, no one remembers beyond the recent. Let's nerf him hard because we know all the answers on Day 7.
 
Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
Remove his safe 50/50s and safe wake up attacks and less pushback on MB riffle and he should be fine.

I'm only saying this cause I know he will eventually get nerfed, rather nerf his rushdown than his zoning imo.
 
Krabman

Krabman

Noob
SaltShaker said:
Do you remember when it was "incredibly obvious" that CSZ was Top 3 on KP release, with the same witch hunt, regardless of how many people like myself, REO, etc tried to show you all how to fight the character? Remember how he was starting to get figured out but it didn't matter because he got bomb nerfed in less than 30 days and never recovered and was barely used for the remainder of the game? Remember how the post nerf concensus was "he wasn't as bad as we thought"? Remember how no one noticed Alien that entire time, calling him "likely low mid tier" while they complained about CSZ, and Alien turned out the most broken of all?

Remember in SFV when Dhalsim was "broken with OP zoning that needed to be nerfed ASAP"? Remember when he was considered Top 3? Remember when a couple of months passed and people realized he wasn't that great once they learned the MU and he ended up low tier?

Remember in Tekken when Claudio was easily Top 5? Remember when other characters got nerfed and he barely got touched? Remember the outrage that he wasn't nerfed harder? Remember when many months passed and people learned the MU and he became a solid middle of the pack character and still is currently?

Nah, no one remembers beyond the recent. Let's nerf him hard because we know all the answers on Day 7.
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bruh CSZ was one of the most broken creations I've ever seen, and REO made a thread about how ridiculous he was, not defending him lol.... you are making shit up. Obviously NRS over-nerfed CSZ, which was unfortunate. I don't know where you are getting this from tho, we all knew alien was going to be retarded. Don't even bring Street fighter in this, they are on complete different spectrums.
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Krabman said:
bruh CSZ was one of the most broken creations I've ever seen, and REO made a thread about how ridiculous he was, not defending him lol.... you are making shit up. Obviously NRS over-nerfed CSZ, which was unfortunate. I don't know where you are getting this from tho, we all knew alien was going to be (soap bar in my mouth). Don't even bring Street fighter in this, they are on complete different spectrums.
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Day 2 REO made a stream kicking ass with him that went like 5-6 hours. Then a day later Sonic said he was godlike. A week later he started making tech videos to show ways around him because of the complaints.

NONE of you were talking about Alien the first couple of weeks. This is fact. It was all CSZ. You can go back and look at the threads.

SF is a fighting game. Tekken is a fighting game. Different communities, with all the same type of reactions. Imagine if you would have nerfed Dhalsim because of his "godlike zoning". He would be bottom 1. Same as Claudio. That's why the examples are relevant. Tools "appear" so strong until characters are figured out. For example, Claudio still has the same exact "easy high damage", the same + on block uber cheap setups, the same high priority uber annoying starburst. The only difference is time.

I'm out though. By next month yall gonna be in another character forum complaining about Batman or Atrocitus lol.
 
xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
Deadshot is dumb, don't get me wrong, but he's not the only stupid character in the game lol.

You guys always do this. Cry about the one character (who we've seen lose in tournaments), yet don't mention the other problems.

Can we talk about how black Adam sneezes and somehow you lose 50%?
How unbelievably derpy batman is?
How dumb both kryptonians are?
Atrocitus?!!?!?


This is why we end up having multiple patches because people always talk about ONE problem and not the others, and then that ends up having patches every couple months or some characters even get over looked. Look how long it took characters like D'Vorah, Cage, Kang, etc to get nerfed. Because people were too busy complaining about that ONE character like Tanya.


WHEN he gets nerfed, I hope the other characters with dumb shit are included.
 
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BrieoRobino

BrieoRobino

Noob
SaltShaker said:
Why yall don't make any threads about the characters better than him though? How will I hang in the multiple bad MUs without getting obliterated after them nerfs? Who gonna play with him after he gets the Inj1 Scorpion tre
SaltShaker said:
Why yall don't make any threads about the characters better than him though? How will I hang in the multiple bad MUs without getting obliterated after them nerfs? Who gonna play with him after he gets the Inj1 Scorpion treatment?







#BUFFDEADSHOT
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#BUFFDEADSHOT
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Please tell me you made a video on building that gun.
 
Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
xKhaoTik said:
Deadshot is dumb, don't get me wrong, but he's not the only stupid character in the game lol.

You guys always do this. Cry about the one character (who we've seen lose in tournaments), yet don't mention the other problems.

Can we talk about how black Adam sneezes and somehow you lose 50%?
How unbelievably derpy batman is?
How dumb both kryptonians are?
Atrocitus?!!?!?


This is why we end up having multiple patches because people always talk about ONE problem and not the others, and then that ends up having patches every couple months or some characters even get over looked. Look how long it took characters like D'Vorah, Cage, Kang, etc to get nerfed? Because people were too busy complaining about that ONE character like Tanya.


WHEN he gets nerfed, I hope the other characters with dumb shit are included.
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I agreed but Adam needs it though, he has slow walkspeed, slow backdash, short range d2, no 50/50s that lead to full combos, decent mids, main to go string is a high etc.
 
Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
SaltShaker said:
Day 2 REO made a stream kicking ass with him that went like 5-6 hours. Then a day later Sonic said he was godlike. A week later he started making tech videos to show ways around him because of the complaints.

NONE of you were talking about Alien the first couple of weeks. This is fact. It was all CSZ. You can go back and look at the threads.

SF is a fighting game. Tekken is a fighting game. Different communities, with all the same type of reactions. Imagine if you would have nerfed Dhalsim because of his "godlike zoning". He would be bottom 1. Same as Claudio. That's why the examples are relevant. Tools "appear" so strong until characters are figured out. For example, Claudio still has the same exact "easy high damage", the same + on block uber cheap setups, the same high priority uber annoying starburst. The only difference is time.

I'm out though. By next month yall gonna be in another character forum complaining about Batman or Atrocitus lol.
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Difference is we already played this game before, Inj1 is basically Inj2 with some new mechanics, the char is strong because he has all of it, leave his zoning as its and nerf his mindless rushdown tools, his safe wake up attack is dumb.
 
xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
Shaka said:
I agreed but Adam needs it though, he has slow walkspeed, slow backdash, short range d2, no 50/50s that lead to full combos, decent mids, main to go string is a high etc.
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Ivy has a garbage back dash, 20f D2 that's punishable on block, no 50/50s and she doesn't do his damage. He has better mobility than her, better zoning, better wakeup.

And who cares if it's a high? It's 8f and has the reach of the heavens. It being a high just opens up his way to land a b2 even easier since people will be looking to duck f1.

Come on bro does he really need that damage? Lol
 
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Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
xKhaoTik said:
Ivy has a garbage back dash, 20f D2 that's punishable on block, no 50/50s and she doesn't do his damage. He has better mobility than her, but zoning, better wakeup.

And who cares if it's a high? It's 8f and has the reach of the heavens. It being a high just opens up his way to land a b2 even easier since people will be looking to duck f1.

Come on bro does he really need that damage? Lol
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F12 reach is good but not over the top like you make it out to be.
His damage is fine. against players with good defense he will struggle open them up.

HE NEEDS IT.


Ivy walkspeed is godlike, she has amazing zoning, good strings, plus frames etc, you can't compare them, they're dif type of chars.

Also Batman is fine, he has no range and no wake ups bro:DOGE
 
xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
Shaka said:
F12 reach is good but not over the top like you make it out to be.

Ivy walkspeed is godlike, she has amazing zoning, good strings, plus frames etc, you can't compare them, they're dif type of chars.

Also Batman is fine, he has no range and no wake ups bro:DOGE
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As soon the match starts, f1 hits if they don't duck. That's damn good range lol

Never said her Walkspeed, zoning or strings were bad. Just said her backdash is bad and his zoning is better. She's bomb tho I love her lol.
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Not gonna lie, I came in here to roast but the OP was actually pretty well written and I agree for the most part. It is getting old being JUST Deadshot who's getting shit on, but I'd imagine that's just because of how obvious and easy to execute his strengths are. Some of the other characters who will rise as really powerful characters may be a bit more nuanced in what they do well. Captain Cold, level 2 trait, corner. That'll make you feel more helpless than anything Deadshot will do, I'll just put that out there.
 
Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
xKhaoTik said:
As soon the match starts, f1 hits if they don't duck. That's damn good range lol

Never said her Walkspeed, zoning or strings were bad. Just said her backdash is bad and his zoning is better. She's bomb tho I love her lol.
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My friend mains her I know she's sick.

All in all I do agreed that there are a bunch of dumb really good chars and we only focus on one. I just started noticing that a bunch of rushdown chars could be a problem in the future if we are not careful.

Also I member you were perfectly fine with Kitana getting 54% of safe better advancing mids in both mk games....
 
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Sultan

Sultan

Kitana, Scorpion
xKhaoTik said:
Deadshot is dumb, don't get me wrong, but he's not the only stupid character in the game lol.

You guys always do this. Cry about the one character (who we've seen lose in tournaments), yet don't mention the other problems.

Can we talk about how black Adam sneezes and somehow you lose 50%?
How unbelievably derpy batman is?
How dumb both kryptonians are?
Atrocitus?!!?!?


This is why we end up having multiple patches because people always talk about ONE problem and not the others, and then that ends up having patches every couple months or some characters even get over looked. Look how long it took characters like D'Vorah, Cage, Kang, etc to get nerfed. Because people were too busy complaining about that ONE character like Tanya.


WHEN he gets nerfed, I hope the other characters with dumb shit are included.
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I think the real problem isn't the complaining because there's just as much bitching in any other fighting game - the problem is that NRS listens to the communities opinions on shit they have no foresight for. Very few players actually possess the skill of appraisal. Very few players understand the concept that you need at least 6-8 months before the meta really starts to reveal itself.

Because NRS listens to the shit people cry over people cry more - it's like coddling a crying child. Sometimes you have to leave the babies alone until they shut up. NRS doesn't do that - it coddles its community and because the community as a whole doesn't understand what the greater good is they end up with a chaotically imbalanced end product when the patches go away. The witch hunters end up getting what they asked for, and ironically end up sad and spoiled about it.
 
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