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"Once I beat SonicFox I'm done with the game forever", PunkDaGod challenges the best in Injustice 2

here's how i know that you don't understand what i'm saying at all. i have said nothing about either player's skill i'm just talking about the logic around the wording you're using. but like i don't know how to expl... nevermind. i get your point though and i think you're right in some ways but yeah piece

that last statement is pretty sketchy to say dude. there are people in other games that dominate their game all year round. and people have been doing that since tournaments started. those are the only people you can say are at sonics talent level. now saying 20 people in a community are at the level of someone who's constantly dominating his isn't based on anything other than your opinion. the only way u can say they are on sonic's level is to dominate the way he does.
secondly with your first point i think we're agreeing kinda. yes more people probably equals a higher ceiling but not necessarily. point is we just don't know what the skill level in either game is and it shouldn't even matter. i don't even think that's a thing you can do objectively. like what factors do u want to use to measure skill level. reactions? reads? spacing? different games reward different skills so you can't even use these factors.
but yeah hopefully u can agree with me or agree to disagree cus i really don't want to post in this thread anymore
Nah sorry, sonic is a big fish sure, but he swims in a little pond and there's an ocean out there. I can and will continue to say that he's at the top of the food chain talent wise, but so are a bunch of people.

I'd agree you can't really measure talent across games, but I strongly disagree that a larger scene may or may not generate a higher skill ceiling, it absolutely does, itd be almost impossible for it not to.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
To be honest, I just want things shaken up from the whole "beat sonic fox" trope of MKX as much as you do, I think Sonic got a little ego trip off of that whole 2 years. Hell, I enjoyed Sonic's rise in IJ1, it's just he might be feelin himself cause of all the fame. If one of these capcom guys actually stays in the community for a while, then it could be great.
The guy you are referring to openly says he's leaving for good after the first chance he gets to wave something in everybody's face
 
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DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Go play sf2 and pick old sagat and then tell me about your precious op zoners. SF has always had strong zoning characters, 5 is the first one to lean this heavily towards rushdown and even still the zoners are stronger than the mkx characters that zone.
If this is true, then it says a lot about the Capcom players who quit so early on.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
ya nrs players are too insecure to see the benefit rather compare themselves to "tokido man" lul
You do realize this happened in both Injustice 1 and MKX, right? More so in Injustice, but it even happened to an extent in MK9. A few top Capcom players claim they're coming for the "free money" from the NRS scene, play for about a month, realize there's nothing free about it, then go back to their games.

No one is claiming this is "bad for the scene", that would be a strawman argument. Any hype around a new game is great. Any publicity around a new game is great. More players playing a new game is great. We're not that dumb, and that's not what the conversation is about.

We want these shit talking Capcom players to actually play the game and stick with it. But they expect to dominate for free. And when they don't, they call the game and scene trash, tell us to come "play a real game", then leave. Do you not realize how not only arrogant, but insanely stupid that logic is? I mean Punk is saying some of the exact same things people like Fchamp said before Inj1 came out. "Oh they're not going to be able to block these crossups", like seriously, same shit different game.

The disrespect never stops. Street Fighter is the top game in the FGC tournament scene. Instead of being humble and having a competitive attitude, they act like we all are trash solely because they are good in the "top game". Time and time again they get bopped, and instead of accepting it and admitting they were wrong, they claim it's the game that's trash and that we wouldn't win in a "real game", aka their game. And you're surprised people are defensive about it? GTFOH, no one is that dumb or naive lul
 
OK so the consensus of this thread is:

1. More non tournament players prefer to play NRS

2. More tournament players prefer to play Capcom

3. SonicFox has skills outside NRS

4. Punk has enough skill generally in fighting games so that if he put in the time he could be a threat.

I don't think its patches or anything else driving Capcom audience off, if they liked the game enough they'd stick with it. In the beginning of a games lifespan there's always enough turbulence so that any good fighting game player has a chance for the money, hence NRS games have bigger entry numbers in the beginning and lesser at the end, and more capcom players make top 8s.

Let's all be friends.
 

UGL Preon

The Casual God
As far as the Sales Argument Goes (Wall of Text)
Street Fighter will always have a leg up on NRS games in terms of thriving competition. Mortal Kombat/Injustice have only been "Kompetitive" on this scale since 2011. While Street Fighter & Marvel have been the backbone of Fighting Game Majors since their inceptions for the most part. People who've never played the recent NRS titles, still think MK9/INJ/MKX are still the myriad of all problems that were in MK Vs DC. Negative stigma.

But no matter how broken, nutty, derp the 3D Era of MK was. Its always been a great seller. Cause people casual or not got down with it.

All versions of Street Fighter 4 Vanilla to Ultra sold a collective 9'ish Million if the reports are accurate across all platforms in the 9 years it was in business. Not bad, nothing to scoff at. Injustice Gods Among Us sold a little north of 3 mil in 2 years. Mortal Kombat 9, rose colored glasses DLC and all sold around 3.5 Mil copies in the 3 years it was around "competitively".

NRS Nails the Casual Market with great visuals, fleshed out story, & kick ass moves/brutals/fatals/supers.
NRS Keeps their Competitive scene alive with a decent game with a lot of depth and of course their Pot Bonuses for the games don't hurt either.

Capcom Nailed the Casual market in 4, because "OMG Street Fighter in 2.5D" "ONLINE STREET FIGHTER, ITS BACK" and every re-release (i.e. Super/AE/AE2012/ULTRA) sold significantly worse with the casual market... but those games weren't meant for the casual market.

Capcom Nails the competitive market off of Prestige, History, & tradition alone. And the CPT never hurts either. It's irrelevant if the game is good or not. Vanilla Marvel 3 was so trash it got dumped in 7 months for Ultimate Marvel. UMvC3 still at EVO, MKX on its way out.

In all of this wall of text. None of the games mentioned are bad. All of them have a hell of a lot to offer, but they are marketed toward different people. Capcom at this point is trying to go E-Sports. NRS still makes AAA Home Console experiences.

I think people are getting riled up over nothing. Someone thinks they can come into the community and mop. Mop him and there's nothing to worry about. Defend the Land. This happened on a larger scale in Injustice 1. And nothing negative came from that either.
 

Belial

Noob
Honestly I believe there are many Capcom players who have the potential to dethrone sonicfox (i mean guys been having competetive success in a far more hardcore enviroment like 5000 ppl evo etc), but to do that they have to drop SF and focus on Injustice, which will never happen.

Its foolish and naive to think you can remain top in SF (which should basically consume you 24/7 if you want to keep up) AND somehow beat SonicFox. Anybody who claims that is an idiot, really.

So I will take this claims seriously only after some top player annouces he drops SF for Injustice. Then we're talking.
 
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Eldriken

Guest
You folks are STILL going on about this same crap? Knock it off already.

People talking about "Twitter drama" and how it's toxic, yet folks are up in here being toxic and dramatic over stupid crap.

Enough is enough. Take it to DMs, stay out of the topic or keep it civil.
 
Nrs ARE MORE CASUAL FRIENDLY GAMES, 12-15 year olds buy it, do cool fatalities then drop it after they do scorpions fatality. Literally this has been discussed like a million times. Sfv had no story, has no arcade, horrible net code, I personally hate the eternal loading times, I hate the costumes, no Xbox support...YET it's still respected as the best fighter right now, and will be for a while. Now this might hurt some people here and that's why I understand people's salt, I mean I too want evo to treat us better, I too want prime time ESPN time for mkx but I don't have that power.
Ps- I'd body you in sf2-sf2turbo, mk1-umk3. What you know about tomos??:p
The patch was driven too much by community input, but disrespecting the balance decisions isn't disrespecting the game, also bonchans character got super butchered so not surprised he'd be mad.
SF is a respected franchise but SFV is not a respected game it isn't the best competitive fighting games and neither is MK the SF community know it they all say games like GGXrd are better than SFV . Saying that it's the best competitive FG right now isn't exactly true If even the community agree it isn't
 
It's not cool when ''random'' Clowns throw the Gauntlet to someone else with this kind of attitude ,last time this happened we saw 0-13.
Only difference is punks actually good at a relevant fighting game.
SF is a respected franchise but SFV is not a respected game it isn't the best competitive fighting games and neither is MK the SF community know it they all say games like GGXrd are better than SFV . Saying that it's the best competitive FG right now isn't exactly true If even the community agree it isn't
i didn't say it was the best game. That's subjective anyway, I just said the community taking potshots at it doesn't mean they don't respect it it means they wanna improve it. People have complained about shit in every fighting game ever.
 
Only difference is punks actually good at a relevant fighting game.

i didn't say it was the best game. That's subjective anyway, I just said the community taking potshots at it doesn't mean they don't respect it it means they wanna improve it. People have complained about shit in every fighting game ever.
The community doesn't respect it that's a fact.
EDIT: They say they don't like it too but I think they like it since they play it but when you watch the community you clearly see that they don't respect the game
 

omooba

fear the moobs
I'd agree you can't really measure talent across games, but I strongly disagree that a larger scene may or may not generate a higher skill ceiling, it absolutely does, itd be almost impossible for it not to.
aight at least you agree that that is just your opinion not necessarily true so no need to throw shade at either community (not saying u were, didn't read your earlier posts).
personally i try not to give my opinion on street fighter because so far most people take it offensively.
 
That's true. Sf 2 the world warriors sold more than mkx and that doesn't make it a better fighting game. Smash outsold all of them till date and well I'm not sure how serious of a fighter that game is. If it's legit then that's cool. I mean it's not taken as serious in comp tourney play. I think it's safe to say that some are more casual than others. And yes, SF has more recognition than all.
Ps- I've never played smash so I cant say if it's good to me or not, just making a reference on casual sales.
Of course. Casual sales usually are related to offline content - or even the respect that the franchise carries with itself. Sales usually translates how a game was in terms of impact - like SF2 for example, that was a true blast.

About Smash, I tried to play it in my 3DS - don't have the resources to afford a Wii U - played with friends, watch competitive matches - until it became random and the players I liked to watch were being kicked out too soon - and the game is really fun, and it's actually quite deep. I understand your affirmative - it's normal to state that smash looks more casual in terms of comp - but I can state that it's not the case at all, believe me :) .

And I actually agree about SF having more recognition, mostly becase the fighting games are all and one single community, so since we all have to share a 'piece of the cake' most of it's 'slices' goes to the game that started it all - which was Capcom. I think this kind of thing will only be over if the games became so big that sharing a tournament wouldn't be viable anymore - kinda like FPS games, were all tournaments are seperated and every community is their own, with their own tournaments, pot bonuses, crowd and respect. But I see that we are just too small to make this 'divorce' between all the fighting games.
 

Colest

Mid-Tier 'Mancer Main
It's never been good for the community because it fosters the same "lel NRS" from Capcom stream monsters. Capcom players degrade our players, accomplishments, or game, play for a month, and then drop it while they or their fans complain about the game being broken or patches killing it or something Then that mindset carries through the entire games lifespan
Maybe the NRS community should look inward for solutions to these problems rather than blame stream monsters.
 

Colest

Mid-Tier 'Mancer Main
That's why I said "even that is completely different" (in other words, using salaries of players in team sports is not the same as comparing prize payouts won in individual sports tournaments)
Using prize payouts arbitrarily determined by the various companies based on their marketing budget as a measure of success versus actual results is grabbing at straws. That being said, EVO medals in the first few months of the game don't mean shit anyway. Fucking Ketchup got a medal in MKX.
 

Vithar

Evil but Honest!
Only difference is punks actually good at a relevant fighting game.

i didn't say it was the best game. That's subjective anyway, I just said the community taking potshots at it doesn't mean they don't respect it it means they wanna improve it. People have complained about shit in every fighting game ever.
Justing Wong & Co are considered good in a relevant fighting games as well but that doesn't change the fact that they are mostly average in NRS games.
I mean ... just spare your grotesque comments please ...