follow-ups shorter than the first attack, that's why we have whiffing issues

Rathalos · Apr 13, 2017

With Scarecrow specifically, I agree that it looks intentional, so you will have to properly space if you want to use the full string.

Nothing wrong with that.

Wetdoba · Apr 13, 2017

Shaka said:
I hate how we shame ourselves for prefering safe mid strings when the reason we do so is mostly because there is no hit confirmation and we don't wanna be punished for not being able to do so.

Imagine in sf games with Ryu having to input the whole combo without hit confirmation and we go for something like combo into dp ender but u gotta input the dp before the whole combo comes out since the game wouldn't register the dp if you input it late haha.

Um, there are hit confirms they just work differently than SF because of the combo system. If youve been playing these assuming hit confirms do not exist that might actually explain a lot lol.

Like are you not hit confirming B12 as Aquaman? You do the B12 and buffer the special input then confirm into FTD or scoop on hit

B. Shazzy · Apr 13, 2017

Shaka said:
if you don't like your char switch or quit acting almighty just cause you play a char with shortcomings scrub!

that's like saying I play low tier and I don't complain about OP chars so i'm better than you.

no I just learned to adapt and not complain so who's the scrub here lul

Madog32 · Apr 13, 2017

SonicNinja3532 said:
I'm not demanding buffs, I literally just said idgaf about scarecrow, so how exactly am I demanding buffs? Did you even read the post properly?

Call it what you want, man. "fix this thing I don't like even tho I haven't even used it yet." I didn't mean you specifically, I was more referring to the entirety of the pro-changes crowd

THTB · Apr 13, 2017

It doesn't really look intentional, but meh, hitboxes are bullshit anyway.

It'll probably get fixed in their next internal build of the game, though, if it already isn't. Like a majority of the things people made any issue about with I2.

SonicNinja3532 · Apr 13, 2017

Madog32 said:
Call it what you want, man. "fix this thing I don't like even tho I haven't even used it yet." I didn't mean you specifically, I was more referring to the entirety of the pro-changes crowd

Well you can cut me out of that crowd, because I'm not asking for buffs, I'm asking for no Johnny like situations. How hard is that to understand? Matter of fact I haven't even watched the video, I'm just basing off of op's original point, because it isn't wrong.

VSC_Supreme · Apr 13, 2017

Could be intentional, on scarecrow who relies on mid range I could see spacing being important.
Now if it were flash and you were right in their grill I'd be pretty upset

Madog32 · Apr 13, 2017

SonicNinja3532 said:
Well you can cut me out of that crowd, because I'm not asking for buffs, I'm asking for no Johnny like situations. How hard is that to understand? Matter of fact I haven't even watched the video, I'm just basing off of op's original point, because it isn't wrong.

Exactly

Considering the OP linked a video and specifically discussed scarecrow, my discussion was on such topic

SHAOLIN · Apr 13, 2017

Wait, a string not connecting fully on hit is intentional. . .what?

I heard that right, right?

Shaka · Apr 13, 2017

B. Shazzy said:
no I just learned to adapt and not complain so who's the scrub here lul

I guess Sonicfox is since he cried to NRs to nerf Subzero yet I don't see you ass kissers calling him a scrub cause of it.

Shaka · Apr 13, 2017

Wetdoba said:
Um, there are hit confirms they just work differently than SF because of the combo system. If youve been playing these assuming hit confirms do not exist that might actually explain a lot lol.

Like are you not hit confirming B12 as Aquaman? You do the B12 and buffer the special input then confirm into FTD or scoop on hit

god ur dumb, I said single hit confirms.

Wetdoba · Apr 13, 2017

Shaka said:
god ur dumb, I said single hit confirms.

Um the post of yours I replied to said the reason people like "safe mid strings" is because they are not hit confirmable. That is what you wrote. No mention of single hits

B. Shazzy · Apr 13, 2017

Shaka said:
I guess Sonicfox is since he cried to NRs to nerf Subzero yet I don't see you ass kissers calling him a scrub cause of it.

lul are you comparing yourself to sonicfox?

Shaka · Apr 13, 2017

B. Shazzy said:
lul are you comparing yourself to sonicfox?

he did that same, he didn't adapt he asked for nerfs, did u call him a scrub too?

CrazyFingers · Apr 13, 2017

This is a spacing problem, but we can't act like EVERY whiffing issue has been human error. You have to be able to discern between the two.

CrazyFingers · Apr 13, 2017

Also the way the title is worded, it's making it sound like we're asking for the huge advancing mid to have a followup that covers the same distance.

JLU51306 · Apr 14, 2017

I'm no expert, but I recall Black Adam had a wonky hitbox on his 22 string, but only if he crossed up his opponent. That was an issue because for all intents and purposes, he was the same distance away from the opponent, but because you crossed them up, the second 2 of the 22 sequence whiffed.

This is vastly different. The first hit advances, but uses his sickle, the second hit is just a swinging uppercut, sans weapon. There is nothing wrong with a string whiffing something beyond the first hit if you're spaced improperly. I would expect it, honestly.

Hitbox issues exist, but this isn't one of them.

omooba · Apr 14, 2017

nrs please i'm begging you this is my main don't do me like this

omooba · Apr 14, 2017

Wetdoba said:
Oh no its almost like youll have to space it right or something and not just throw out your advancing mid mindlessly

this comment is such bullshit. like complete and utter bullshit. lets make a look like it goes this far and actually go this far but no you're not meant to use it this far bruh this shit just pissed me off so much

shura30 · Apr 14, 2017

just_2swift said:
This thread seems to be going places.

yeah we're headed to bizarro world in which a string whiffing on hit somewhat is the player's fault for not spacing it correctly

like in the last few years we didn't have a buttload of documented cases of wonky breathing hit/hurtbox often attached to costumes and skins

in the end, any scarecrow player will adapt and work his gameplan around this
but the fact that we still have issues carrying over for no reason, stands

Eddy Wang · Apr 14, 2017

MadPropz101 said:
Really doesn't make sense what you said there.
If the first hit connects then the rest of the string needs to connect as well.

That is why most scrubs though MKX string mechanics were fine lol.

There is nothing wrong with scarecrow's follow-up, as far as i saw, its working as intended.
The character has a disjointed hitbox which he uses to fight mid range and has advancing strings from it, its only natural that you can't just throw them out there and expect to hit without no space calculations.

Love the concept, lets just hope NRS stick to their design rules.

shura30 · Apr 14, 2017

calling it now, "working as intended" will be the flair for the next 2 years

Eddy Wang · Apr 14, 2017

shura30 said:
calling it now, "working as intended" will be the flair for the next 2 years

Just give it a chance, not sure if this will stay this way or not in the final release but we surely will find out.

I'm still divided, if this game ends up being another fullscreen strings fest, i will definitely step away from NRS games until a major improvement is made in a future game.

shura30 · Apr 14, 2017

Eddy Wang said:
Just give it a chance, not sure if this will stay this way or not in the final release but we surely will find out.

I'm referring to scarecrow's because it was shown in the video
but I'd like everyone to look at the big picture because, despite different range of the moves, there are similarities with all of the whiffing we have in mkx

I'm still divided, if this game ends up being another fullscreen strings fest, i will definitely step away from NRS games until a major improvement is made in a future game.

honestly I'm more scared of left-right inconsistencies and setups more than ranges, as long as the spacing is solid and consistent (which apparently isn't just by looking at the clip in the op) I'm ok with all kind of ranges

THTB · Apr 14, 2017

Jeez guys, justifying the whiff is kinda weird lol. The idea of a string like that is built with maximum spacing in mind. That is literally how everything involving the character is described and it doesn't look intentional for it to even whiff. It's likely going to be fixed.

follow-ups shorter than the first attack, that's why we have whiffing issues

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