Should DLC be temporarily banned from tournaments like mk9/inj not mkxl

This shouldn't even be up for debate.
Im 100% sure that half if not more of the DLC characters will be broken just as they were broken in Injustice/MKX.
I just don't want to see another 4 DLC mirrors in a top8.

DLC characters tournament ineligible for 2 weeks, a month at most if you starting to get sassy. Anything past that and why allow dlc characters to begin with if you are that scared of them ya big babies.

Yes, Id say 1 month mininum. Plenty of time to figure them out.

I say there should be no tournaments for the game for the first 3 months, after all one of the launch characters could be broken wouldn't want anyone to have an advantage!!!!!!!

If It will reduce the complaining, Im all for the banning for two months. Tired of watching streams on mute so I wont have to hear hours of complaining.

1 month ban on DLC. Plenty of time to learn the general matchup knowledge and let's the community determine if they're broken/find infinites/glitches. Gives NRS time to hotfix possible brokeness.

Evil Canadian said:

I say there should be no tournaments for the game for the first 3 months, after all one of the launch characters could be broken wouldn't want anyone to have an advantage!!!!!!!

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This.

Maybe not 3, but definitely there should be a wait. Basically "everyone is dlc" at the beginning.

If you had to talk about this, Brant, you ought to say this BEFORE MKX's release day. Now the mess happened, so there's no way to reverse it back. Sonicfox fucked us all with Acidic Alien, who was so broken for the entire year.

I don't know what happened in MK9/INJ, because at that time I was a casual and didn't have the element of competition within me, so I'm not going to comment about this. I'll let the rest to comment about this.

The recent history through MKXL gave me a lesson not to trust too much in the DLC characters due of them being broken (Alien was a proper example of being broken before the last patch). Due of the last patch, almost everyone got nerfed because of the troubles they had endured or created.

That's all from me.

Too all the people saying 2 weeks is plenty of time to find all the dirt and broken stuff with a DLC character. I would like to bring up the character of Batgirl.

Batgirl on release had at least 2 infinites. 1 using her bola and character power the other we did not even know existed till she had been out for a year. The JRosa/Sonicfox flying uppercut

Batgirl was released on the 1.03 patch in May 2013. Her flying uppercut infinite was hotfixed (not patched) out of the game May 2014.

And I'm not even including all the other glitches/bugs she had like putting an invisible projectile on you she could mb to launch you/gain plus frames on block at any time.

So ya I'm still against letting dlc rock for at least 2 months at majors. Let them compete in weeklies/online tournaments of the smaller scale. That way at least NRS can see how the character plays in a competitive setting for balance changes. And maybe less knee jerk balance changes.

What your proposing is the communities way of fixing one major problem, and I fully agree. I have talked about having beta's for DLC's and patches in order to assess them before they go live and tournament viable in order to evaluate and find any balancing problems. However, it is better to act now rather than hope NRS impliment this so have my vote.

ismael4790 said:

This.

Maybe not 3, but definitely there should be a wait. Basically "everyone is dlc" at the beginning.

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SylverRye said:

What in the....

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I'm going to request a "Wot n Tarnation" meme now.

I am by no means a tournament guy yet, but I agree with waiting a while for said character to be played in tournament. But waiting till the first Evo sounds a bit to long imo, maybe after just a month or two?
Just my opinion.

I think a 1 month ban on DLC characters is enough time. Anything further than that is excessive imo, unless the character is clearly broken.

untitledsix said:

Please explain how my logic is poor instead of just saying that. Your response was just a dogmatic clinginess to what's been done in the past. I don't want broken at all. Things like early Tanya should have been banned because that was bullshit. What I'm saying is broke stuff almost always gets exposed early on. Therefore characters should be banned on a case by case basis. Banning a character for that long also detracts from people playing them. On top of that, if something is obviously broken, it can be patched very quickly in this day and age.

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MK9: Sonya, Kenshi, Freddy
Injustice: Zod, Sinestro, Bane
MKX: Mileena, Demo Sonya

These are some examples of super strong characters that didn't have their potential unlocked until a considerable length into the games life. So I wouldn't say the good stuff gets found early.

I'd say the basic stuff gets found early.

Only dirty stuff for basic characters gets found early guys, remember that.

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I think it's easy to understand.

At day 1 in the game, every character is in an equivalent situation that the one that causes complaints from dlc chars, which is being unknown and potentially broken.

So if we ban dlc (which i agree with), why don't we use the same reasoning at the beginning of the game, and let people get used to the initial roster before celebrating any kind of tourney?

ismael4790 said:

I think it's easy to understand.

At day 1 in the game, every character is in an equivalent situation that the one that causes complaints from dlc chars, which is being unknown and potentially broken.

So if we ban dlc (which i agree with), why don't we use the same reasoning at the beginning of the game, and let people get used to the initial roster before celebrating any kind of tourney?

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So basically ban combo breaker amd ceo? Release roster and dlc aren't the same thing. Even if they were, hell no to this lol

ismael4790 said:

I think it's easy to understand.

At day 1 in the game, every character is in an equivalent situation that the one that causes complaints from dlc chars, which is being unknown and potentially broken.

So if we ban dlc (which i agree with), why don't we use the same reasoning at the beginning of the game, and let people get used to the initial roster before celebrating any kind of tourney?

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Yes, and stop the growth of NRS scene more. Great idea!

SylverRye said:

So basically ban combo breaker amd ceo? Release roster and dlc aren't the same thing. Even if they were, hell no to this lol

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Maybe changing dates would be more coherent.

Release roster and dlc are the same regarding the subject of discussion, which is "they can be broke when they appear, so we need time to lab them and wait for fixes".

I just like coherence, and the main point to ban dlc, also applies to initial roster day 1.

Early tournaments give hype, but this is basically the main point of those who defend letting dlc rock xD

ismael4790 said:

Maybe changing dates would be more coherent.

Release roster and dlc are the same regarding the subject of discussion, which is "they can be broke when they appear, so we need time to lab them and wait for fixes".

I just like coherence, and the main point to ban dlc, also applies to initial roster day 1.

Early tournaments give hype, but this is basically the main point of those who defend letting dlc rock xD

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Tfw you have no idea how these events work.


1 month ban seems fair enough. Imagine if Sektor was allowed to be used at WB, it'd have been plus wake ups and f3 into plus frames galore lmao

To the ppl saying broken stuff gets found early, MKX was clearly your first fighting game. Brb doing Sinestros pushblock combos. How long did Kabal take to take shape, 3-4 months?

coolwhip said:

That is true, but things were a bit different at the time. Players are quicker to recognize what makes a character cheap nowadays and exploit brokeness. I don't remember what state Kenshi or Freddie were in upon release in MK9, but if it's anything like their final state, imagine what would have happened if we had players catch on to how broke they were right away and we watched a tournament infested with Kenshis running wild.

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The thing is, we actually knew in some cases, but there were some people arguing that said characters were fine for whatever reason. Case in point: the multiple Scorpions in Top 8 at CEO 2013.

Along those lines -- do you still think Scorpion was ok simply because he didn't win?

Cossner said:

Tfw you have no idea how these events work.


1 month ban seems fair enough. Imagine if Sektor was allowed to be used at WB, it'd have been plus wake ups and f3 into plus frames galore lmao

To the ppl saying broken stuff gets found early, MKX was clearly your first fighting game. Brb doing Sinestros pushblock combos. How long did Kabal take to take shape, 3-4 months?

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I don't think how tourneys work is relevant to the point I was making, which still holds.

The problems which people point out about dlc rocking (which is potential brokeness and not time to lab/ fixes to be applied) are the same that can arise day 1 with initial roster in early tourneys. That's why I think not only dlc should have that 1 month ban, but also the game should have first month without tourneys, for example.

yeah it should like it is in sfv when new characters are out, at least two weeks.. or more maybe in nrs' case

Yes, the DLC characters should be banned from tournament play for at least a month.

However, my only concern is what if a month after their initial release, they're either still broken or they were patched, but something else arose from that which caused them to still have something stupid. Do you just say, well, the month ban is over so let him/her rock as is and hopefully everyone knows what they're up against? Or should other measures be taken at that point? Perhaps then having that character pushed to a two month ban to ensure that they get fixed or understood correctly?

I do like the idea of banning them from tournament play as I feel like it would force NRS to do a better job of releasing new characters and would make sure that they patch/hotfix issues at a more frequent pace if they want these new characters to be showcased/hyped up.

Also, for those saying, "No, I want to see them in tournament play asap, for hype"; Is a 1 month ban really that bad? I mean, after the initial month of DLC release, you'd be seeing a new character(s) in play every month after that and be more hyped to see what everyone has cooked up with said character(s).