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Pan1cMode

Pan1cMode

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blue dragon said:
May I ask, could you give a detailed explaination of what you mean by not using visual cues, so I know that I apply this properly, can I also get your opinion of which monitor is better, the asks mx279h or the benq rl2755hm for psq4 console and mainly for mkxl, both are rated at the top for best monitors, for mkx TN or IPS, both have about the same lag input, the tn is a little faster for image responsiveness, I want the monitor that will give the best color and image clarity, with out ghosting effect, thanks
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The only reason you'll drop combos on a laggy monitor is because you're looking at the screen and timing your inputs to what you see (using visual cues). The lag of the monitor doesn't affect the responsiveness of your console. If you learn to time your combos using innate timing (or something like the clicking noise of your controller buttons) monitor lag shouldn't cause you to drop combos (since you could just close your eyes and execute the combo anyways).

As for which monitor is best, I'm sorry but I'm not the best person to talk about that. I'm not all the versed on the technical side of stuff, just how it applies to playing video games.
 
blue dragon

blue dragon

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Pan1cMode said:
The only reason you'll drop combos on a laggy monitor is because you're looking at the screen and timing your inputs to what you see (using visual cues). The lag of the monitor doesn't affect the responsiveness of your console. If you learn to time your combos using innate timing (or something like the clicking noise of your controller buttons) monitor lag shouldn't cause you to drop combos (since you could just close your eyes and execute the combo anyways).

As for which monitor is best, I'm sorry but I'm not the best person to talk about that. I'm not all the versed on the technical side of stuff, just how it applies to playing video games.
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Thanks for clarifying, I do exactly what you described about innate timing, like the button clicking, thanks for being very precise.
 
blue dragon

blue dragon

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John the Savage said:
Yeah a lot of misinformation at the start of this thread. Response time and refresh rate don't really matter as much as actual input lag.

Look at it this way.

1 frame is 16.67ms. Some monitors can achieve input lag as low as 5-10ms, while even the HDTVs with less input lag than most other HDTVs usually sit around 20-30ms of input lag. That's over a full frame more input lag than a monitor and that's if it's one of the best TVs you can get for input lag.

So if you try a combo with a 3 frame link on a tv with almost 2 full frames of input lag, if not more, it's going to feel almost impossible.

Try that same combo on a monitor with less than a frame of input lag and it's going to feel like you have all the time in the world compared to a TV.
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Wounderful information and accurate explaination of lag input
 
PizzaMasta

PizzaMasta

Hellblazer
I know this has been asked a couple of times now, but with almost a year passed since this thread's creationI'm wondering, what are the current go-to monitors nowadays? Anything below 10ms input lag?
 
blue dragon

blue dragon

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@everyone out there, started using a monitor from a tv, I play grandmaster, on a tv when I performed b12, to punish a blocked unsafe move, I would press the back, then swipe my other thumb from 1 to 2(instead of depressing each button spereately) and the kombo comes out consistently, and with hit confirm, I will cancel it into IB's, but when using the monitor(much lower lag input), when I do the same technique for b12 , only b2 come out, and that is constantly, I look at the monitor to quickly check my inputs, and they are clean and it displays the back, the 1 and the 2 buttons, can anyone explain this, tell me what iam doing improper and how to fix, please note when I depress the 1 and the 2 buttons seperately the b12 comes out. I am just so use to doing the sweeping action, and very comfortable with it, if I have to change , I will, thanks
 
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KrAdWeLL

KrAdWeLL

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I have a Asus Ve278q and and plasma TV. The only way I'll even play on the plasma is by dropping the ps4 to 480p. It looks like shit but I can still be just as efficient as when I play on my monitor. I rather play better and have it look like shit than drop combos than it look the way it's supposed to.
 
RyuuJin882

RyuuJin882

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jmt said:
Put it this way, after playing on a big tv only and then going down to my local for the first time, I couldn't hit my combos. Was dropping all my bnbs.

It definitely matters. So I ended up buying a monitor.
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As a TO, I've seen this happen to 9/10 people. If anyone wants to be competitive, just get a 1ms monitor. The people that don't experience this are already at a level where they can adapt the fly.
 
Pan1cMode

Pan1cMode

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blue dragon said:
@everyone out there, started using a monitor from a tv, I play grandmaster, on a tv when I performed b12, to punish a blocked unsafe move, I would press the back, then swipe my other thumb from 1 to 2(instead of depressing each button spereately) and the kombo comes out consistently, and with hit confirm, I will cancel it into IB's, but when using the monitor(much lower lag input), when I do the same technique for b12 , only b2 come out, and that is constantly, I look at the monitor to quickly check my inputs, and they are clean and it displays the back, the 1 and the 2 buttons, can anyone explain this, tell me what iam doing improper and how to fix, please note when I depress the 1 and the 2 buttons seperately the b12 comes out. I am just so use to doing the sweeping action, and very comfortable with it, if I have to change , I will, thanks
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You are pressing b12 too early.

You are used to having to preemptively press buttons in order for the required move to come out in time. Now that you have a monitor, your inputs are being displayed on the screen as you press them. You are getting b2 because you're pressing the b12 too early. The b1 is not registered as you're in block stun, and you get b2 because the game buffers the "back" input from the b1 and the 2 input from the string.

Delay the timing of your input.

This is why monitors are important if you want to play competitively. The timings are vastly different.
 
R

Rodney Quillz

Noob
KrAdWeLL said:
I have a Asus Ve278q and and plasma TV. The only way I'll even play on the plasma is by dropping the ps4 to 480p. It looks like shit but I can still be just as efficient as when I play on my monitor. I rather play better and have it look like shit than drop combos than it look the way it's supposed to.
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Does this really work?
 
Shaikhuzzaman

Shaikhuzzaman

magicmeerkatman
blue dragon said:
@everyone out there, started using a monitor from a tv, I play grandmaster, on a tv when I performed b12, to punish a blocked unsafe move, I would press the back, then swipe my other thumb from 1 to 2(instead of depressing each button spereately) and the kombo comes out consistently, and with hit confirm, I will cancel it into IB's, but when using the monitor(much lower lag input), when I do the same technique for b12 , only b2 come out, and that is constantly, I look at the monitor to quickly check my inputs, and they are clean and it displays the back, the 1 and the 2 buttons, can anyone explain this, tell me what iam doing improper and how to fix, please note when I depress the 1 and the 2 buttons seperately the b12 comes out. I am just so use to doing the sweeping action, and very comfortable with it, if I have to change , I will, thanks
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You are going to early just slow down a bit
 
Parasurama

Parasurama

Dragon
The Abbot said:
A simple question for serious gamers out there.

Are monitors required for high level gaming?

I have always played on a TV set. I currently have a Panasonic TC-P42S1 and I recently saw a post about monitors.

Do all the high level players play on monitors and do they make that big of a difference?

I don't know what the input lag is on this particular model but it does have a game mode.

Would those extra lost frames be significant enough against those high level opponents?

I work often and when I am home and management to find time to play, I want to be as competitive as possible. So if monitors are more necessary to achieve this, it might be worth the investment.
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Yes to the subject
 
blue dragon

blue dragon

Noob
Pan1cMode said:
You are pressing b12 too early.

You are used to having to preemptively press buttons in order for the required move to come out in time. Now that you have a monitor, your inputs are being displayed on the screen as you press them. You are getting b2 because you're pressing the b12 too early. The b1 is not registered as you're in block stun, and you get b2 because the game buffers the "back" input from the b1 and the 2 input from the string.

Delay the timing of your input.

This is why monitors are important if you want to play competitively. The timings are vastly different.
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Thanks, it's kind of what I thought, I will practice your advise
 
Solid

Solid

The Longbow Hunter.
Yes they are. I have been to joke tournaments, the ones that host 1 fighting game but also FIFA and COD, that had bad monitors where the lag was so bad that Bat girls teleport was safe when you relied on your normal visual trigger to punish.
 
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